In a potential 2024 preview, Tucker Carlson and South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem sparred over the NCAA and transgender athletes

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Fox News host Tucker Carlson interviews Republican South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem.

  • Potential 2024 hopefuls Tucker Carlson and Kristi Noem butted heads on Fox News Monday night.
  • While the debate was ostensibly about transgender athletes, it previewed their 2024 messaging.
  • “No, that’s not right at all, Tucker,” Noem said at one point. “In, fact, you’re wrong. Completely.”
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An otherwise routine appearance for South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem on Fox News Monday night quickly turned tense when host Tucker Carlson began asking if she was “caving” to the NCAA by not signing a bill on transgender women athletes.

Both Carlson and Noem have been the subject of heavy speculation that they’ll run for president in 2024, making them potential GOP primary opponents.

Insider first reported on chatter in Republican circles about a possible Carlson run back in July. Noem currently sits at number seven in Insider’s 2024 GOP primary power rankings, while Carlson is unranked, given the lack of clarity over whether he’s serious about a run, a notion he has previously described as “insane.”

The bill in question would bar trans women and girls from competing in women’s sports in South Dakota.

As Insider’s Madison Hall and Kayla Epstein previously reported, South Dakota’s bill is one of 36 similar pieces of legislation being pushed by GOP controlled legislatures across the country as the issue becomes a priority for the party.

In her Fox News hit, Noem tried to explain that signing the bill could lead to a drawn out court battle that the state would likely lose.

Carlson then cut her off and paraphrased what she was explaining.

“But wait, wait, wait – so you’re saying the NCAA threatened you, and you don’t think you can win that fight,” Carlson said. “They said if you sign this, they won’t allow girls in South Dakota to play, and you don’t think you can win in court, even though the public overwhelmingly supports you nationally, and so you’re caving to the NCAA. I think that’s what you’re saying.”

“No, that’s not right at all, Tucker,” Noem responded. “In, fact, you’re wrong. Completely. I’ve been working on this issue for years.”

Later on, Carlson described her decision as the result of when “big business intercedes, [the] NCAA, Chamber of Commerce and Amazon and tell you not to sign it, and you change your mind.”

“Well, that’s not true, Tucker,” Noem replied, appearing to grow increasingly irritated.

At another point, Carlson asked why Noem was talking about Title IX – the legal standard which prevents colleges and universities from discriminating in athletics or academics by gender – when “this is thousands of years of common sense and tradition.”

The exchange offered a possible sample of what their messaging to Republican voters could look like in a primary matchup between the two.

“Girls play girls sports. Boys play boys sports,” Carlson continued. “Why not, instead, just say, ‘Bring it on, NCAA. I’m a national figure. Go ahead and try and exclude us. I will fight you in the court of public opinion and defend principle.’ Why not just do that?”

Noem said Carlson was “preaching my sermon,” and that “I’m not interested in a participation trophy.”

“I’m not interested in picking a fight that we can’t win,” Noem continued. “I am a problem solver. I want to come to the table and I don’t want to have talking points. And I’ve been bullied for the last year by liberals, Tucker.”

The South Dakota governor then positioned herself as someone who’s interested in getting results instead of pursuing Carlson’s scorched earth strategy.

“I’m not gonna let anybody from the NCAA, from any big business – I’m not gonna even let conservatives on the right bully me,” she said. “I’m gonna solve the problem. I’m gonna make sure that we’re building strength in numbers … and make sure that we’re keeping only girls playing in girls sports.”

As Carlson kept pushing back, Noem turned the tables and began pressing the host over whether he’d read what she was talking about.

“Well did you read the bill or the style and reform message that I sent to the legislature?” Noem said.

“I did. I did. Yes, but I’m – ” Carlson said, before Noem cut him off and wrapped up her final remarks for the segment.

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South Dakota’s legislature is moving to impeach its attorney general after investigators uncovered a hit-and-run victim’s glasses in his car

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South Dakota Attorney General Jason Ravnsborg in Washington, DC in September 2019.

  • South Dakota’s attorney general is facing impeachment and calls to resign.
  • AG Jason Ravnsborg was charged with three misdemeanors in connection to a fatal car crash.
  • New details have since emerged with the victim’s glasses found in Ravnsborg’s car.
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South Dakota Attorney General Jason Ravnsborg is facing impeachment proceedings and calls for his resignation over criminal charges in connection to a fatal hit and run crash.

Ravnsborg was charged with three misdemeanors last week after initially saying he thought he hit a deer, not a person. Pressure for his ouster mounted on Wednesday when it became public that the victim’s glasses were found in Ravnsborg’s car.

“His face was in your windshield, Jason. Think about that,” a detective told the AG in an interrogation on Sept. 30, video of which was released on Tuesday.

The video came from South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem, who called for Ravnsborg’s resignation earlier in the day. Republicans in the state legislature also filed articles of impeachment on Tuesday. 

On Thursday, Noem promised she would release more documents surrounding the investigation, and the Republican house speaker outlined the next steps for impeachment, which include the formation of a committee with ten lawmakers to investigate whether the conduct constitutes an impeachable offense.

Notably, Noem and the lawmakers who filed the articles of impeachment are fellow Republicans, with Ravnsborg elected to the post in 2018 after securing the nomination at the South Dakota GOP’s convention.

Investigation materials released in recent days have cast further doubt on Ravnsborg’s initial story. Phone records show he logged into a Yahoo email account and visited news sites in the minutes before he called 911, according to a compilation by the Argus Leader newspaper out of Sioux Falls.

After emerging from a meeting to announce the articles of impeachment on Tuesday, Republican state Rep. Will Mortenson of Pierre said the attorney general should not go to prison, but needs to be held accountable.

“This is not political, and it is not personal,”Mortenson said. “Again, I do not believe Attorney General Ravnsborg belongs in prison, but I know he does not belong in the Office of the Attorney General anymore.”

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A South Dakota lawmaker is asking his constituents to decide when he should receive the COVID-19 vaccine

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South Dakota Republican Rep. Dusty Johnson speaks during a press conference about COVID-19 in September 2020.

  • South Dakota Rep. Dusty Johnson, a Republican, on Friday said he would allow his constituents to vote whether he got the COVID-19 vaccine now or waited to receive it until it was widely available.
  • He noted that high profile politicians, including Vice President Mike Pence, have received the vaccine publicly to instill confidence that it is safe.
  • Johnson, the only member of the US House of Representatives from South Dakota, said there were “good arguments can be made on both sides” as to whether he should receive early access to the vaccine or wait to receive it. 
  • The vaccine is not expected to be widely available to all who want it until later next year, and health experts have emphasized the importance of continuing other mitigation measures.
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Rep. Dusty Johnson, South Dakota’s lone member of the US House of Representatives, on Friday asked his constituents to vote in a poll to decide whether he got early access to the COVID-19 vaccine or should wait until it’s more widely available.

“We have the COVID-19 vaccine, and that’s a critically important development in the fight against the pandemic,” Johnson, a Republican, said in a video posted to Twitter on Friday. “Now the attending physician of the House has made the vaccine available to members of Congress. I will get the vaccine but the question is when.” 

He continued: “Some political leaders like Vice President Mike Pence are going early to increase confidence in the vaccine and model good behavior. Other leaders are holding off, not wanting to go to the front of the line.”

On Friday morning, Vice President Mike Pence, his wife second lady Karen Pence, and US Surgeon General Jerome Adams were publicly injected with the Pfizer-BioNTech vaccine, which last week was authorized by the US Food and Drug Administration for emergency use.

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On Saturday, Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, a prominent Democrat from New York, shared on social media photos and video of her receiving the vaccine, telling her followers she would “never, ever ask you to do something I wasn’t willing to do myself.”  

The Biden transition team said President-elect Joe Biden and incoming first lady Jill Biden will receive the first dose of the two-shot vaccine on Monday. Vice President Kamala Harris will receive the first shot the following week, according to the Biden-Harris team.

In the video, Johnson said he could “make responsible and reasonable arguments on both sides of the issue,” calling for a statewide discussion, and ultimately, providing a link to a two-question poll that asks South Dakotans to decide if Johnson should take the vaccine now to “instill public confidence” or “wait [his] turn.” 

While vaccine distribution plans are up to state governments, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention have issued guidance recommending that healthcare workers and at-risk populations, like those living in nursing homes, receive the vaccine.


Health experts and public officials have stressed that the vaccine will not be widely available to those who want it until later next year, urging for the public to continue mitigation measures, like face coverings and physical distancing, as the US grapples with its ongoing surge of the disease across the country. 

Still, despite the shortage, some public officials have been rushed to the front of the line in an attempt to instill confidence that the vaccine is safe amid baseless conspiracy theories and concerns from the US population. 


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