In a potential 2024 preview, Tucker Carlson and South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem sparred over the NCAA and transgender athletes

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Fox News host Tucker Carlson interviews Republican South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem.

  • Potential 2024 hopefuls Tucker Carlson and Kristi Noem butted heads on Fox News Monday night.
  • While the debate was ostensibly about transgender athletes, it previewed their 2024 messaging.
  • “No, that’s not right at all, Tucker,” Noem said at one point. “In, fact, you’re wrong. Completely.”
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An otherwise routine appearance for South Dakota Gov. Kristi Noem on Fox News Monday night quickly turned tense when host Tucker Carlson began asking if she was “caving” to the NCAA by not signing a bill on transgender women athletes.

Both Carlson and Noem have been the subject of heavy speculation that they’ll run for president in 2024, making them potential GOP primary opponents.

Insider first reported on chatter in Republican circles about a possible Carlson run back in July. Noem currently sits at number seven in Insider’s 2024 GOP primary power rankings, while Carlson is unranked, given the lack of clarity over whether he’s serious about a run, a notion he has previously described as “insane.”

The bill in question would bar trans women and girls from competing in women’s sports in South Dakota.

As Insider’s Madison Hall and Kayla Epstein previously reported, South Dakota’s bill is one of 36 similar pieces of legislation being pushed by GOP controlled legislatures across the country as the issue becomes a priority for the party.

In her Fox News hit, Noem tried to explain that signing the bill could lead to a drawn out court battle that the state would likely lose.

Carlson then cut her off and paraphrased what she was explaining.

“But wait, wait, wait – so you’re saying the NCAA threatened you, and you don’t think you can win that fight,” Carlson said. “They said if you sign this, they won’t allow girls in South Dakota to play, and you don’t think you can win in court, even though the public overwhelmingly supports you nationally, and so you’re caving to the NCAA. I think that’s what you’re saying.”

“No, that’s not right at all, Tucker,” Noem responded. “In, fact, you’re wrong. Completely. I’ve been working on this issue for years.”

Later on, Carlson described her decision as the result of when “big business intercedes, [the] NCAA, Chamber of Commerce and Amazon and tell you not to sign it, and you change your mind.”

“Well, that’s not true, Tucker,” Noem replied, appearing to grow increasingly irritated.

At another point, Carlson asked why Noem was talking about Title IX – the legal standard which prevents colleges and universities from discriminating in athletics or academics by gender – when “this is thousands of years of common sense and tradition.”

The exchange offered a possible sample of what their messaging to Republican voters could look like in a primary matchup between the two.

“Girls play girls sports. Boys play boys sports,” Carlson continued. “Why not, instead, just say, ‘Bring it on, NCAA. I’m a national figure. Go ahead and try and exclude us. I will fight you in the court of public opinion and defend principle.’ Why not just do that?”

Noem said Carlson was “preaching my sermon,” and that “I’m not interested in a participation trophy.”

“I’m not interested in picking a fight that we can’t win,” Noem continued. “I am a problem solver. I want to come to the table and I don’t want to have talking points. And I’ve been bullied for the last year by liberals, Tucker.”

The South Dakota governor then positioned herself as someone who’s interested in getting results instead of pursuing Carlson’s scorched earth strategy.

“I’m not gonna let anybody from the NCAA, from any big business – I’m not gonna even let conservatives on the right bully me,” she said. “I’m gonna solve the problem. I’m gonna make sure that we’re building strength in numbers … and make sure that we’re keeping only girls playing in girls sports.”

As Carlson kept pushing back, Noem turned the tables and began pressing the host over whether he’d read what she was talking about.

“Well did you read the bill or the style and reform message that I sent to the legislature?” Noem said.

“I did. I did. Yes, but I’m – ” Carlson said, before Noem cut him off and wrapped up her final remarks for the segment.

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Dick’s Sporting Goods says it will provide equipment to women’s NCAA tournament after viral photos showed fitness room was lacking

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A Dick’s Sporting Goods store is closed due to the outbreak of coronavirus in Washington

  • Dick’s Sporting Goods tweeted that it will bring fitness equipment to female NCAA athletes.
  • Viral photos showed that the women’s fitness room in the NCAA bubble was sparser than the men’s.
  • Players pointed out other unequal treatment including food and COVID-19 tests.
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Dick’s Sporting Goods offered to bring fitness equipment to the NCAA women after viral videos revealed the unequal treatment female basketball players received from the organization compared to the men’s teams.

Stanford sports performance coach Ali Kershner shared photos comparing the setups for men and women provided by the NCAA. The men’s room was full of weights and professional equipment, while the women’s space appeared to only have yoga mats and small dumbbells.

A post shared by Ali Kershner, MS, CSCS (@kershner.ali)

Teams playing in the March Madness NCAA tournaments will be in a bubble for three weeks sharing hotels and workout spaces in Indianapolis until the sweet sixteen.

Critics have pointed out other discrepancies in the organization’s treatment of male and female athletes, from different food to even different types of daily COVID-19 tests.

Fans, players, and members of the media called further attention to the discrepancy on social media.

On Friday, sports retailer Dick’s Sporting Goods tweeted “Our teammates have worked quickly to get truckloads of fitness equipment ready” to bring to the women’s workoutroom, with photos of U-Hauls.

Orange Theory also tweeted that it will make studios available for female athletes to train.

The NCAA has also since released a statement. “We acknowledge that some of the amenities teams would typically have access to have not been as available inside the controlled environment. In part, this is due to the limited space, and the original plan was to expand the workout area once additional space was available later in the tournament” NCAA vice president for women’s basketball Lynn Holzman said in a statement to the media.

“However, we want to be responsive to the needs of our participating teams, and we are actively working to enhance existing resources at practice courts, including additional weight training equipment.”

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