Mary Trump said her uncle, former President Donald Trump, would never sacrifice himself for his children if they were in legal trouble.
CNN’s Chris Cuomo asked her on Monday what Donald Trump would do if prosecutors zeroed in on his children: “What would it mean to Donald Trump if they came after his kids? Would that change his disposition, do you think? Would he take one for his kids?”
“I think if that were to happen, if prosecutors were to go after his children, he would fully expect them to take a hit for him, to benefit him,” she said.
“What he probably doesn’t understand is that’s not really how it works. You know, they always try to get people to flip so they can go after the bigger target. But Donald would never imagine in a million years that his children would do that, although I’m fairly sure they would.”
“So if that indeed happens, it’s going to be fascinating, because he would never do anything to protect them if it were at his expense,” she said.
Donald Trump’s company, the Trump Organization – which his sons Eric and Donald Jr. work for – is currently under criminal investigation in New York. Prosecutors in Georgia and Washington, DC, are also scrutinizing Trump’s own actions.
“I think that being banned from Twitter and having the PGA take their tournament away from his golf courses are probably the worst things that have happened to him in the last four years,” she told Insider on Thursday.
“How is he managing without Twitter? Because even he must realize that people really aren’t paying attention to him in the same way,” she said.
“Clearly, this stuff with the Republican party is helping him because imagine if he didn’t have that. If he had become as irrelevant as every other person who loses an election becomes, then I think his mental state would be much different.”
A Politico report detailed how the president went “ballistic” when he lost access to Twitter, and he attempted to send tweets from different accounts before they were also shut down.
Mary Trump’s tell-all book on the Trump family, “Too Much and Never Enough: How My Family Created the World’s Most Dangerous Man” was published last year and sold over a million copies in the first week.
The book includes incidents Mary Trump, a clinical psychologist, observed of her uncle before he was elected as president and details the family dynamics which shaped his personality.
Mary Trump also dismissed the possibility of Trump standing for re-election in 2024, telling Insider that he was merely using the possibility of standing in order to “keep grifting” from his supporters.
“It’s all about maintaining the grip on power. He thinks on some level it’s going to allow him to continue to operate with impunity as he has done his whole life, and also it’s going to allow him to keep grifting money off of people,” she said.
Mary Trump was in the middle of a therapy session on Cape Cod Wednesday when a mob of extremists obsessed with keeping her uncle in office breached the Capitol building.
It was about a half-hour into the response to the attempted coup when Trump, the president’s estranged niece, tuned in to the madness in real time.
“At one point it had that September 11 feeling for me,” Mary Trump told Insider Thursday.
“None of it’s surprising. Nobody should be surprised by any of this,” she said. “And that’s including the horrific not just lack of response, but apparently polite assistance, offered to this insurrectionist mob.”
Trump, a clinical physiologist, has been an outspoken critic of her uncle, and last year published a tell-all book “Too Much and Never Enough: How My Family Created The World’s Most Dangerous Man.
She told Insider she hasn’t been in contact with anyone from Trump’s immediate family or orbit since the publication of the book.
However, she can imagine, based on his history of narcissism, that he is more desperate now than ever.
“Donald always thinks that it’s impossible for him to lose and that, no matter, what he will end up with the win, even if there are several hundred thousand asterisks after it,” the president’s niece said. “He’s increasingly made desperate by the fact that literally nothing seems to be working. There’s nobody to get him out of this.”
Trump said she’s not sure her uncle is mentally capable of recognizing that his time in the White House is truly coming to an end. If he does, though, he could be especially dangerous.
“This goes against everything that he’s ever experienced in his life, on top of which, of course, is that the worst thing in the universe he could be is a loser,” Mary Trump said.
Mary Trump said she thinks she’s been using the word “heartbreaking” too frequently since her uncle took office, but that it’s the most apt to describe how she feels about witnessing Wednesday’s chaos in the District of Columbia.
“It’s all heartbreaking, that’s just it, to see these enemies of democracy – these people who would like to see the end of America to keep a traitor like Donald in office illegally – casually walking our Capitol building and degrade everything it symbolizes,” she said.
“It’s the most egregious and appalling display of contempt for our Constitution that I’ve ever seen by people who were elected and swore to defend and protect that Constitution,” Mary Trump said.
She said the scene at the Capitol was made possible by the notion that America is a “horribly racist country” that doesn’t have a problem with domestic terrorism if the actors are white.
Still, as serious as the actions were, she worries the mob she said her uncle created was just a “shot over the bow.”
While she doesn’t have any insider information on plans for her uncle or his children after President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration, she knows he is incapable of accepting a loss.
“Of course, what happens when he no longer has the power and protection of the Oval Office? He’s in serious, serious trouble when January 20 rolls around,” she said.
“He’s going to be very busy dealing with indictments. He’s got at least three lawsuits that I know of, one of which is mine, that will require him being deposed,” she added. “And he also has the probability, I think, of having his enormous debt called in by banks that now don’t have any reason not to call in his debt.”
Mary Trump expects the president will attempt to pardon himself, and those around him, from any federal crimes, but that ultimately it won’t protect him from an inevitable life of difficulty.
“He can go ahead and do that, it will be a horrific thing to witness, just like everything else has been, but in the grand scheme of things it’s not going to get them out of state charges or pending lawsuits, or financial difficulties,” she said.
Before it even gets that far, though, Trump needs to be “impeached and removed from office immediately,” his niece told Insider.
“If that doesn’t happen, that is an abject failure of our system and it doesn’t bode well for our very fragile, wounded democracy,” she said.
Beyond that, though, if Donald Trump isn’t removed before his time in office runs out, he will grow increasingly unstable, she said.
Aides to the President said this week that he was so detached from reality during the siege they had given up trying to communicate with him during the crisis.
“If you’re paying attention right now, you should be both enraged and terrified,” Trump said. “It is exhausting, but necessary because when people aren’t paying attention, things like yesterday are allowed to happen.”
The White House didn’t immediately return Insider’s email seeking a response to Mary Trump’s thoughts on her uncle.
“We can’t put anything past Donald. He’s desperate, he’s terrified, he has absolutely no empathy, and he’s a nihilist,” the president’s niece added.
“I’m not entirely sure that it’s possible for him to recognize that he’s going down, because his narcissism runs so deep, but if he does get to that point, he will bring us all down with him.”