Jeremy Grantham said US stocks are heroically overpriced, copper should shoot higher, and that he had an ‘overprivileged’ lockdown in a recent interview. Here are the 14 best quotes.

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Jeremy Grantham cofounded the asset management firm GMO.

Legendary investor Jeremy Grantham said US stocks are hugely overpriced, predicted copper prices should shoot higher in the coming years, and that he had an “overprivileged” lockdown in an interview at the Morningstar Investment Conference Australia this week.

The cofounder of asset management firm GMO also ripped into the major oil companies, saying they’re too cynical to engage with. And the 82-year-old said the SPAC boom and the Nasdaq had probably peaked.

Here are the 14 best quotes from the interview.

On the investing landscape

1. “The developed world is merely overpriced, no big deal on its own, but the US is heroically overpriced, and emerging markets is actually fairly cheap… I have complete confidence that if you bought the intersection, cheap emerging market stocks, that you would get a perfectly handsome 10- or 20-year return. And I am pretty darn confident that you will not get a handsome ten-year return from say the S&P 500 or Nasdaq.”

2. “[The] Nasdaq has, by the way, peaked quite a long time ago, two months ago…. This time, my guess is the super SPACs peaked in January, the Nasdaq peaked in February. And maybe in a few months, the termites will get to the rest of the market.”

3. “The super crazies are really anything to do with electrification. EVs, for sure, Tesla is the king of that group, [and] they’re down 30%. The SPAC index is down 30%, the last 10 SPACs having announced a deal are now [trading at] less than the $10 that they do these deals at.”

4. “There is no way copper will not rise hugely from here because of the electrification of everything. And that goes for cobalt, that goes for lithium. And all of the metals except iron and aluminum are really scarce… You have to be reconciled in the long run for a different world of commodity prices.”

On dangers for markets

5. “The higher an asset price is, the lower the return. So having high-priced assets is great for retirees, old folks like me selling off my assets. But for everybody else, it means you compound your wealth more slowly… So I welcome lower asset prices, which I’m confident will come.”

6. “It won’t take bad news. It won’t take a thoroughly bad economy to start bringing this market down. It will take a perfectly good economy and perfectly optimistic outlook, but a little less than it used to be a week ago, a month ago.” – Grantham also spoke of “pessimism termites” that would start to eat away at investor confidence.

7. “You look around and you find that real estate is suddenly pretty bubbly in almost every interesting market in the world… You can’t keep an asset class like housing, where the house doesn’t change, and you’re just marking it up in real terms year after year. Eventually, there’ll be a day of reckoning.”

8. “Don’t pull a Japan. Japan had the biggest bubble in history in land and real estate, bigger than the South Sea Bubble in my opinion. It also had the biggest equity bubble of any advanced country. [Now] 32 years later their land is not back to where it was in 1989 and their stock market is not back in nominal dollars to where it was in 1989. And that’s a perfect example, as the higher you go, the longer and greater the fall.”

On lockdown

9. “We had a totally overprivileged existence. We’re down in beautiful countryside with 50 acres of our own of woodland… And I did quite a lot more research than normal because I wasn’t wasting my time on airplanes. So my carbon footprint was magnificent, and I was reduced to worrying about rather small things like amortizing my tie supply. If I could wear three at a time, I would.”

On the oil companies

10. “The oil industry ran a deliberate campaign of obfuscation, political propaganda, to deliberately mislead the world… That should be criminal. It certainly has had a very damaging effect… It’s cost the world perhaps as much as 10 years of progress on climate change action and government support and sensible regulation.”

11. “I think engagement for the routine concerns [with companies over climate change] is the way to go… But with oil companies, I think they’re simply too cynical and too clever for engagement to count.”

On value investing and venture capital

12. “[Value investing] has had a brutal 11 years. It was the worst 10 years in history for value versus growth. And then last year was by far the worst single year. So you had the worst decade followed by the worst single year… We’ve had a lot of problems over the last 11 years.”

13. “American capitalism seems to me past its prime, a little fat and happy, not aggressive enough. There’s only half the number of people working for firms [that are] one and two years old than there were in 1975. So we’re losing some of our dynamism.”

14. “But there is one thing where the US is still exceptional and that is venture capital. And venture capital is really attracting the best people these days. They don’t go to Goldman Sachs to write algorithms. They go into venture capital or to start a new firm, and they should.”

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Legendary investor Jeremy Grantham says the stock-market bubble could burst before May in a new interview. Here are the 16 best quotes.

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Jeremy Grantham.

  • Jeremy Grantham said the stock-market bubble would likely deflate before May.
  • The GMO cofounder also criticized SPACs and cheered electric vehicles.
  • Here are Grantham’s 16 best quotes from his “Invest Like the Best” interview.
  • Visit the Business section of Insider for more stories.

Retail investors piling into stocks have fueled a historic bubble that will probably burst before May, the veteran investor Jeremy Grantham said on the “Invest Like the Best” podcast this week.

The GMO cofounder and chief investment strategist also discussed how the bubble would deflate, slammed SPACs, shared some of the insults he’d received for criticizing bitcoin, and predicted that electric vehicles would revolutionize the auto industry.

Here are Grantham’s 16 best quotes from the interview, lightly edited and condensed for clarity:

1. “This bubble is more impressive even than 2000, which was the champion. About 80% of the value measures have this one higher. We’ll be rather lucky to have this bubble last until May.”

2. “When the financial headlines migrate to the front page, when the evening news mentions the market or some crazy behavior of GameStop, Tesla, you know you’re getting very warm.” – outlining some of the signs of a bubble about to burst.

3. “This is not primarily an institutional bubble; this is an individual bubble. The individuals are absolutely crazy. They have expanded their share of the market trading, and they have really entered into the market with great enthusiasm for the first time in decades.”

4. “I have to confess that I find it all exhilarating. I’m only concerned somewhat for the relatively new investors who get drawn into these things and then find out the hard way. I sympathize completely with these people out there enjoying this bubble, but they’ve always ended very badly, and I have no doubt this one will too.”

5. “I’m not optimistic that anyone caught up in this wants to hear my advice and consequently would act on it. When you get into that excitement, mini frenzy, pretty hard to stop you with dry historical stories. ‘That was then, this is now, baby! Get aboard. You don’t understand. You dinosaurs don’t get it.’ Well, the trouble is we do get it, but there is no way I can persuade them. Just tread out the regular story, and one out of a hundred might listen. I will sympathize with them when they’re cleaned out.”

6. “We’re a crazy marketplace full of irrational human beings who behave themselves 80% of the time and then 20% of the time totally freak out one way or the other.”

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7. “They don’t want to look foolish with their neighbor, and I concede that seeing your neighbor get rich is about as irritating as anything that life has to offer.” – discussing how retail investors get caught up in speculation.

8. “The market tops out when the last bull has put his last money in. There is a moment of maximum enthusiasm, and the next day there’s plenty of enthusiasm but less than the previous day. So the buying pressure is released a little bit, like the famous water jets under the ping-pong balls. You turn the faucet down a little bit and the ball is still way up in the air, but it’s just dropped a couple of inches. It’s that process of slowly lowering the pressure, and the overpriced ping-pong ball slowly descends until it hits the proper level.”

9. “Rapidly rising hostility to bears is a very good, very late signal that the bubble is way advanced. I gave my fairly bland opinion about bitcoin, just that it was faith-based, there’s nothing new or shocking about that. But armies of individual fanatics descended on the comments. There was no insult that was not good enough for me, not just senility and old age and complete ignorance about bitcoin. I got three insults back about my big ears which I hadn’t had since I was 7 years old.”

10. “SPACs are terribly speculative, undesirable, unnecessary instruments. They’re really a license to rip investors off. It’s a testimonial to the sloppiness and slow-moving nature of the SEC that they haven’t banned these things long ago.”

11. “QuantumScape went from $10 to $130, where it was worth more than General Motors or Panasonic. That compares pretty well in scale with anything around in 1929 or 2000. To have a company that has no earnings or sales for four years, brilliant or not, and to look out that far into the future and make it worth more than General Motors, that’s a pretty good demonstration of something. And it was wonderfully ironic, because by then I’d already been sounding off about the undesirableness of SPACs. And there I am with far and away, for a second or two, my biggest investment ever.” – discussing his 53-fold gain on QuantumScape after a SPAC acquired the solid-state-battery company.

12. “I don’t believe the banks are nearly as important as they would love us to believe. They managed to fake the majority of people in ’09 into thinking they were so desperately important that if we didn’t bail them all out, if we let a single banker go out of business, we’d be deep in 1932, in the Great Depression.”

13. “The baby bust is going to be worse than anybody thinks, way off the scale of anything we’ve ever talked about. It’s going to change the world.” – emphasizing the effects of declining birth rates in many of the world’s largest economies.

14. “Electric cars will be cheaper to build. They’re already cheaper to run and cheaper to operate by far, and safer and better to drive. We have killed gasoline and diesel cars.”

15. “We’re compounding the wealth of society much more slowly. If you’re not in the game, just think how terrible it is: You pay twice as much for a house, the stock market is twice the price it used to be, the farm up the road if you’re in the countryside is twice the price it used to be. It’s glorious for the people who own a lot of assets, for old fogies who are selling their assets, that’s terrific. But everybody else, and particularly the young, it’s a pain in the ass.”

16. “For heaven’s sake, do the little that you can do to prepare for the future, which is to have a great infrastructure and a great educational system. Reality is the quality and quantity of your workforce. How motivated, how happy, how well-organized they are, how well-trained they are, and how well-retrained they are, if necessary, plus the quantity and quality of your assets per worker. That’s real life.”

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Legendary investor Jeremy Grantham warns the stock-market bubble could burst before May in a new interview. Here are the 16 best quotes.

jeremy grantham
Jeremy Grantham.

  • Jeremy Grantham warned the stock-market bubble will likely deflate before May.
  • The GMO cofounder also criticized SPACs and cheered electric vehicles.
  • Here are Grantham’s 16 best quotes from his “Invest Like The Best” interview.
  • Visit the Business section of Insider for more stories.

Retail investors piling into stocks have fueled a historic bubble that will probably burst before May, veteran investor Jeremy Grantham warned on the “Invest Like The Best” podcast this week.

The GMO cofounder and chief investment strategist also discussed how the bubble will deflate, slammed SPACs, shared some of the insults he received for criticizing bitcoin, and predicted electric vehicles will revolutionize the auto industry.

Here are Grantham’s 16 best quotes from the interview, lightly edited and condensed for clarity:

1. “This bubble is more impressive even than 2000, which was the champion. About 80% of the value measures have this one higher. We’ll be rather lucky to have this bubble last until May.”

2. “When the financial headlines migrate to the front page, when the evening news mentions the market or some crazy behavior of GameStop, Tesla, you know you’re getting very warm.” – outlining some of the signs of a bubble about to burst.

3. “This is not primarily an institutional bubble, this is an individual bubble. The individuals are absolutely crazy. They have expanded their share of the market trading, and they have really entered into the market with great enthusiasm for the first time in decades.”

4. “I have to confess that I find it all exhilarating. I’m only concerned somewhat for the relatively new investors who get drawn into these things and then find out the hard way. I sympathize completely with these people out there enjoying this bubble, but they’ve always ended very badly and I have no doubt this one will too.”

5. “I’m not optimistic that anyone caught up in this wants to hear my advice, and consequently would act on it. When you get into that excitement, mini frenzy, pretty hard to stop you with dry historical stories. ‘That was then, this is now baby! Get aboard, you don’t understand. You dinosaurs don’t get it.’ Well, the trouble is, we do get it, but there is no way I can persuade them. Just tread out the regular story, and one out of a hundred might listen. I will sympathize with them when they’re cleaned out.”

6. “We’re a crazy marketplace full of irrational human beings who behave themselves 80% of the time, and then 20% of the time, totally freak out one way or the other.”

7. “They don’t want to look foolish with their neighbor, and I concede that seeing your neighbor get rich is about as irritating as anything that life has to offer.” – discussing how retail investors get caught up in speculation.

8. “The market tops out when the last bull has put his last money in. There is a moment of maximum enthusiasm, and the next day there’s plenty of enthusiasm but less than the previous day. So the buying pressure is released a little bit, like the famous water jets under the ping-pong balls. You turn the faucet down a little bit and the ball is still way up in the air, but it’s just dropped a couple of inches. It’s that process of slowly lowering the pressure and the overpriced ping-pong ball slowly descends until it hits the proper level.”

9. “Rapidly rising hostility to bears is a very good, very late signal that the bubble is way advanced. I gave my fairly bland opinion about bitcoin, just that it was faith-based, there’s nothing new or shocking about that. But armies of individual fanatics descended on the comments. There was no insult that was not good enough for me, not just senility and old age and complete ignorance about bitcoin. I got three insults back about my big ears which I hadn’t had since I was 7-years-old.”

10. “SPACs are terribly speculative, undesirable, unnecessary instruments. They’re really a license to rip investors off. It’s a testimonial to the sloppiness and slow-moving nature of the SEC that they haven’t banned these things long ago.”

11. “QuantumScape went from $10 to $130, where it was worth more than General Motors or Panasonic. That compares pretty well in scale with anything around in 1929 or 2000. To have a company that has no earnings, or sales, for four years, brilliant or not, and to look out that far into the future and make it worth more than General Motors, that’s a pretty good demonstration of something. And it was wonderfully ironic, because by then I’d already been sounding off about the undesirableness of SPACs. And there I am, with far and away, for a second or two, my biggest investment ever.” – discussing his 53-fold gain on QuantumScape after a SPAC acquired the solid-state battery company.

12. “I don’t believe the banks are nearly as important as they would love us to believe. They managed to fake the majority of people in ’09 into thinking they were so desperately important that if we didn’t bail them all out, if we let a single banker go out of business, we’d be deep in 1932, in the Great Depression.”

13. “The baby bust is going to be worse than anybody thinks, way off the scale of anything we’ve ever talked about. It’s going to change the world.” – emphasizing the impacts of declining birth rates in many of the world’s largest economies.

14. “Electric cars will be cheaper to build. They’re already cheaper to run and cheaper to operate by far, and safer and better to drive. We have killed gasoline and diesel cars.”

15. “We’re compounding the wealth of society much more slowly. If you’re not in the game, just think how terrible it is: You pay twice as much for a house, the stock market is twice the price it used to be, the farm up the road if you’re in the countryside is twice the price it used to be. It’s glorious for the people who own a lot of assets, for old fogies who are selling their assets, that’s terrific. But everybody else, and particularly the young, it’s a pain in the ass.”

16. “For heaven’s sake, do the little that you can do to prepare for the future, which is to have a great infrastructure and a great educational system. Reality is the quality and quantity of your workforce. How motivated, how happy, how well-organized they are, how well-trained they are, and how well-retrained they are if necessary, plus the quantity and quality of your assets per worker. That’s real life.”

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Legendary investor Jeremy Grantham says Biden’s $1.9 trillion stimulus plan will make the stock market bubble even worse

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Legendary investor Jeremy Grantham warned investors during a Bloomberg interview that the $1.9 trillion in federal aid President Joe Biden is seeking from Congress will further inflate the stock market bubble.

The GMO co-founder told Erik Schatzker that he has “no doubt” some of the stimulus aid will end up in the market. He said the “sad truth” about the last stimulus bill passed in 2020 was that it didn’t increase capital spending and didn’t increase real production, but it certainly flowed into stocks. 

The plan that Biden is proposing contains a $1,400 boost to stimulus checks, robust state and local aid, and vaccine-distribution funds. Grantham said that if the package passed is worth $1.9 trillion, it could lead to the dangerous end of the bubble.  

“If it’s as big as they talk about, this would be a very good making of a top for the market, just of the kind that the history books would enjoy,” said Grantham.

“We will have a few weeks of extra money and a few weeks of putting your last, desperate chips into the game, and then an even more spectacular bust,” he added. 

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Grantham has long-warned of the ballooning bubble he sees in the US stock market. In his investor outlook letter in the beginning of January, he detailed how extreme overvaluations, explosive price increases, frenzied issuance, and “hysterically speculative investor behavior” all demonstrate that the stock market is in a bubble that not even the Fed can stop from bursting.

“When you have reached this level of obvious super-enthusiasm, the bubble has always, without exception, broken in the next few months, not a few years,” Grantham told Bloomberg.

Grantham also said that the combination of fiscal stimulus and emergency Fed programs that helped inflate the bubble could increase inflation.

“If you think you live in a world where output doesn’t matter and you can just create paper, sooner or later you’re going to do the impossible, and that is bring back inflation,” Grantham said. “Interest rates are paper. Credit is paper. Real life is factories and workers and output, and we are not looking at increased output.”

He told investors to seek out stocks outside of US markets, as many other countries haven’t seen the huge bull market the US has. He called emerging markets stocks “handsomely priced.”

“You will not make a handsome 10- or 20-year return from U.S. growth stocks,” said Grantham. “If you could do emerging, low-growth and green, you might get the jackpot.”

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