Trump suggests that Republicans might have been better off if Democrat Stacey Abrams was Georgia’s governor instead of Brian Kemp

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Former Georgia state House Minority Leader Stacey Abrams.

  • Trump said that the GOP “might have been better” with Democrat Stacey Abrams as Georgia’s governor.
  • The former president continues to take digs at current Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp.
  • Last year, Kemp rejected Trump’s entreaties to overturn President Biden’s win in Georgia.
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Former President Donald Trump still has Georgia on his mind.

After now-President Joe Biden narrowly won the state in last year’s presidential race, Trump prodded Republican Gov. Brian Kemp to convene the conservative-led state legislature in order to overturn the results and pressured GOP Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to “find” additional votes to ensure a statewide win.

Trump’s entreaties were rejected, but he has continued to attack both men for what he says was an unfair election process in the state, withholding an endorsement of Kemp in his 2022 reelection campaign and backing Rep. Jody Hice in a Republican secretary of state primary over Raffensperger.

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In 2018, Kemp’s Democratic opponent was former state House Minority Leader and voting rights activist Stacey Abrams.

The race was highly competitive, with Kemp edging out Abrams by a 50.2%-48.8% margin, or 1.4 percentage points, the smallest margin in a Georgia governor’s race since 1966.

Trump was a staunch supporter of Kemp in his first race, but that goodwill has since dried up.

During his first post-presidential rally in Ohio on Saturday, the former president suggested that Abrams might have been a more preferable choice for the GOP than Kemp.

“By the way, we might have been better if she did win for governor of Georgia if you want to know the truth,” Trump said. “We might have had a better governor if she did win.”

Trump has not endorsed any of the lesser-known candidates running against Kemp in the GOP gubernatorial primary, but the former president will likely play a decisive role in the immediate future of the state party.

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Georgia’s Secretary of State says more than 100,000 names will be removed from state’s voter record

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Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger speaks during a news conference on Wednesday, Nov. 11, 2020, in Atlanta. Georgia election officials have announced an audit of presidential election results that will trigger a full hand recount.

  • Georgia said it’s purging more than 100,000 names off its voter registration rolls.
  • It’s removing those who haven’t voted in years or have moved.
  • Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said it’s the first major cleaning of the records since 2019.
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Georgia’s Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger announced that more than 100,000 names will be removed from the state’s voter registration records.

This mass removal, or voter “purge,” mainly targeted those who filled out a change of address form (about 67,000) or had election mail returned (about 34,000), the AP reported. Voters can also be purged if they are declared “inactive” meaning they have not participated in an election in a certain number of years.

The purge accounts for 1.3% of the state’s 7.8 million registered voters, the Atlanta-Journal Constitution reported. Eligible voters who are removed can re-register to vote.

“Making sure Georgia’s voter rolls are up to date is key to ensuring the integrity of our elections,” Raffensperger said in a statement. “That is why I fought and beat Stacey Abrams in court in 2019 to remove nearly 300,000 obsolete voter files before the November election, and will do so again this year. Bottom line, there is no legitimate reason to keep ineligible voters on the rolls.”

Abrams was the 2018 Democratic gubernatorial candidate who lost to Kemp. After that election, Abrams founded Fair Fight Action, a voting rights organization.

The purge comes after Gov. Brian Kemp signed a controversial omnibus voting bill in March that made sweeping changes to the state’s voting rules. The bill was criticized by several civil rights groups and led to several federal lawsuits.

The state has also been a battleground over the results of the 2020 election. President Joe Biden won the state of Georgia, and two Democratic senators were also elected in a run-off election in January. The state voted for former President Donald Trump in 2016. Trump and his team had made repeated efforts to try to dispute the state’s election results, and Raffensperger was censured by his own party for stating Biden won the state.

Raffensperger said this is the first “major cleaning of the voter rolls” since 2019, and he’s “made it a priority to continue with the list maintenance process” since the 2020 presidential election.

The Atlanta Journal-Constitution reported that the previous purge of 300,000 voters was not a complete victory. While a federal judge at the time agreed to have those who had been inactive for over eight years removed from the voter records, Raffensperger had to reinstate 22,000 voters who had voted a little while before the cutoff date.

“The last time Secretary Raffensperger conducted a massive voter purge, he was forced to admit 22,000 errors – 22,000 Georgia voters who would have been kicked off the rolls were it not for Fair Fight Action’s diligence. We’ll be reviewing the list thoroughly and reaching out to impacted voters,” said Lauren Groh-Wargo, CEO of Fair Fight Action.

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Gov. Brian Kemp gets booed during speech at Georgia state GOP convention

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Gov. Brian Kemp of Georgia.

  • Gov. Brian Kemp was booed at the Georgia state Republican convention on Saturday.
  • Many of the party faithful resent Kemp’s refusal to challenge the Georgia election results in 2020.
  • Former President Trump continues to animate the GOP base with his debunked election claims.
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GOP Gov. Brian Kemp of Georgia on Saturday elicited boos and jeers at the state party’s annual convention, reflecting the lingering resentment that many Republicans feel toward his certification of President Joe Biden’s electoral win over former President Donald Trump in the state last year.

As Kemp aimed for unity, many of his supporters tried to cheer for the governor, who is up for reelection next year and faces a spirited GOP challenge from former state Rep. Vernon Jones, a prominent Black surrogate for Trump.

During his speech, Kemp touted his support of anti-abortion legislation and the restrictive voting law that he signed into law in March, while also discussing his reopening of the state during the COVID-19 pandemic, according to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

But it was difficult to hear Kemp during parts of his speech, as the video taken by reporter Maya T. Prabhu of The Atlanta Journal-Constitution clearly shows.

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For months, Kemp and Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger were excoriated by Trump for not caving to his pressure campaign to overturn the November election results.

The Republican divide become even more pronounced after Democrats Raphael Warnock and Jon Ossoff defeated then-GOP Sens. Kelly Loeffler and David Perdue in the January runoff elections, respectively, which handed control of the US Senate to Democrats.

The governor, eager to focus on his own campaign and to dish out catnip to conservatives, laced into Democrats and what he called the “fake news media.”

“We must be strong and courageous,” Kemp told the raucous crowd. “They’ve got Hollywood. They’ve got billionaires in New York and California… That is why we have to be united as well and move forward together.”

Unlike several Republicans who spoke, Kemp declined to state that the 2020 election was inaccurate or “stolen,” according to the Associated Press.

The governor was able to overcome a resolution condemning his handling of the election process last year.

Raffensperger wasn’t as lucky. Republican delegates at the convention voted Saturday to censure him for his administration of the 2020 election, according to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution.

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A top Georgia election official says Rudy Giuliani intentionally ‘lied’ about election fraud by presenting a deceptively edited video as evidence

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Gabriel Sterling, the Voting Systems Manager for the Georgia Secretary of State’s office.

  • Top Georgia election official Gabriel Sterling said Rudy Giuliani “lied” by presenting a deceptively edited video as evidence of election fraud.
  • In a “60 Minutes” interview, Sterling debunked Giuliani’s claim about illegitimate ballots, saying the president’s lawyer showed only a misleading clip to Georgia state senators despite having access to the full video.
  • Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, who also appeared on “60 Minutes,” said Giuliani “knows that what he said was not true.”
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A top Georgia election official said Rudy Giuliani “lied” over election fraud claims by presenting a deceptively edited video as evidence, despite having access to the full footage.

Gabriel Sterling, the chief operating officer for Georgia’s secretary of state, made the comments in a “60 Minutes” interview that aired Sunday, during which he described President Donald Trump’s claims of voter fraud as “fantastical, unreasonable,” and “lacking in any factual reality.”

Sterling, a Republican and Trump voter, told interviewer Scott Pelley that Giuliani presented a selectively edited video to Georgia state senators as evidence. In a clip shown on “60 Minutes” of Giulani presenting the video, he calls it a “powerful smoking gun.”

Giuliani’s video, which also aired in national Trump campaign ads, claims to show cases of ballots removed from under a table and “added in secret.”

However, Sterling said the full video shows a different story.

 

He said when election officials were told they were done counting for the day, uncounted ballots were placed in secure, tamper-proof cases and stored under the table. Shortly after, the officials were told they needed to continue counting through the night.

At that point, the secure cases of uncounted ballots were retrieved from under the table to proceed the counting.

Sterling said the president’s team always had access to the complete video, but Giuliani only presented the state senators with the part that shows cases being pulled out from under the table.

“Rudy Giuliani looked them in the eye and lied,” he said.

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“From my point of view, they intentionally misled the state senators, the people of Georgia, and the people of the United States about this, to cause this conspiracy theory to keep going and keep the disinformation going, which has caused this environment that we’re seeing today,” Sterling said.

Giulani did not respond to Insider’s request for comment.

Trump and his allies have repeated unsubstantiated claims of widespread voter and election fraud since the president lost the election to President-elect Joe Biden. However, none of the claims have held up in court and the Justice Department said it found no evidence of widespread fraud.

The belief by some of the president’s supporters that the election was fraudulent fueled the the deadly siege on the US Capitol last week, where many of the rioters chanted and held up signs that read “Stop the steal!”

Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, also a Republican, appeared on “60 Minutes” as well, echoing Sterling’s claims and saying Giuliani “knows that what he said was not true.”

“But our state senate did not ask us to come in there so that we could rebut what they said,” he said of the Republican legislature. “And it was actually left as the gospel truth, and it wasn’t. It was fabricated.”

Earlier this month, in a leaked phone call between Raffensperger and the White House, Trump repeated unsubstantiated claims about the election and urged the secretary of state to “find” him enough votes to beat Biden.

The day after the call was leaked, Sterling also debunked the president’s claims, which he said made him “scream” because they were so dishonest.

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Trump reportedly asked a Georgia elections investigator to ‘find the fraud’ in the 2020 election in lengthy phone call in December

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President Donald Trump speaks during a campaign rally for Georgia Senate Republican candidates Sen. Kelly Loeffler and Sen. David Perdue in December 2020.

  • President Donald Trump in December pressured the lead elections investigator in the state of Georgia to “find the fraud” responsible for his election loss, The Washington Post reported Saturday.
  • There is no evidence of widespread fraud in the 2020 election, but Trump has repeatedly spread the baseless conspiracy theory since his loss in November. 
  • The reporting of this call came about a week after the Washington Post reported the existence of a later call that involved Trump pressuring Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a Republican, to “find” enough votes to flip the state in his favor. 
  • Trump’s continued rhetoric about the 2020 election led to the deadly insurrection at the US Capitol on Wednesday.
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President Donald Trump on a December 23 phone call pressured Georgia’s lead elections investigator to “find the fraud” responsible for his election loss, The Washington Post reported Saturday.

The president reportedly told the investigator they would be a “national hero” should they find the evidence he requested, according to the report. The Post’s reporting is based on an anonymous interview with a person familiar with the call who asked not to be identified because of the “sensitivity” of the conversation, according to the report. 

The report did not name the investigator who spoke with the president.

The White House did not immediately return Insider’s request for comment Saturday.

The Post’s latest report follows its report from about a week prior that Trump in early January pressured Brad Raffensperger, Georgia’s Republican secretary of state, to find enough votes to overturn his loss in the state. Trump lost the state of Georgia by about 12,000 votes in one of several key losses that paved the way for President-elect Joe Biden’s victory. 

The call with the elections investigator took place about a week prior to the president’s call with Raffensperger, according to the Post report. It took place just before the Christmas holiday when the investigator was looking into reports of ballot fraud in Cobb County, according to The Washington Post.

As the Post reported, Raffensperger had greenlit an investigation into claims that officials in Cobb County had improperly accepted ballots with signatures that did not match those on file, but officials found the claims were without merit.

Raffensperger confirmed to The Post that Trump had called the elections official on December 23 but said he wasn’t sure of the specifics of the call.

“That was an ongoing investigation,” Raffensperger told the outlet. “I don’t believe that an elected official should be involved in that process.”

Since Trump lost to Biden in November, he, his lawyers, and his GOP allies have spent more than two months alleging widespread voter fraud despite repeated failures to substantiate their claim. Trump lost dozens of lawsuits in his bid to overturn the election results.

Trump’s rhetoric has been linked to the violent and deadly insurrection by his supporters on the US Capitol on Wednesday. His supporters, called to Washington, DC, by Trump for a “Stop the Steal” rally, listened to the president speak before they marched to the US Capitol and stormed inside while lawmakers discussed the certification of the Electoral College vote that reaffirmed Biden’s win. 

While Congress voted to affirm Biden’s wins after it reconvened following the assault on the Capitol, several lawmakers including Texas Sen. Ted Cruz and Missouri Sen. Josh Hawley, objected to the results over the baseless claims of fraud. 

Biden won 306 Electoral College votes to Trump’s 232. To win the presidency, a candidate must reach 270 votes.

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Georgia secretary of state says David Perdue ‘still owes’ his wife an apology for death threats after calling for his resignation

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Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.

  • Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger on Monday strongly defended himself against attacks from GOP Sen. David Perdue after the release of a recorded phone conversation featuring President Donald Trump pressuring him to overturn the statewide presidential election results.
  • “Senator Perdue still owes my wife an apology for all the death threats she got after he asked for my resignation,” he said on Fox News. “I have not heard one peep from that man since.”
  • In the recently-released conversation, the president, over an hour-long conversation, asked Raffensperger “to find 11,780 votes” to overcome Biden’s win and continued to push the false narrative that he won the statewide vote.
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Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger on Monday strongly defended himself against attacks from GOP Sen. David Perdue after the release of a recorded phone conversation featuring President Donald Trump pressuring him to overturn the statewide presidential election results.

In a testy interview on Fox News, Raffensperger, a fellow Republican, slammed Perdue for saying that the release of the phone call was “disgusting.”

After the November election, which saw President-elect Joe Biden win Georgia by nearly 12,000 votes, Trump and many leading Republican officials decried the result, spewing debunked allegations of fraud to explain the president’s loss.

At the time, Perdue and Sen. Kelly Loeffler, who are both battling to win their respective Senate runoff elections on January 5, called on Raffensperger to resign for alleged mismanagement and a lack of transparency into the results.

Raffensperger refused to entertain their proposal.

Months later, Raffensperger is calling on Perdue to apologize to his wife, who was the target of threats after the calls for him to step down.

“Senator Perdue still owes my wife an apology for all the death threats she got after he asked for my resignation,” he said on Fox News. “I have not heard one peep from that man since. If he wants to call me, face to face, man to man, I’ll talk to him, off the record, but he hasn’t done that.”

When Raffensperger was asked if he was holding a grudge, he firmly rejected that assertion, saying that he was interested in making sure the public was correctly informed about the election results.

“It’s really about getting the facts out,” he said. “We just did a press release today. President Trump probably had 8 to 10 points. Every one of his numbers were wrong. We have a poster board of all the real numbers that we have versus what they have. Our numbers will be supported in a court of law. Their numbers will not be.”

In the recently-released tape of Raffensperger, Trump, White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows, Georgia’s deputy secretary of state, Jordan Fuchs, and other attorneys, the president, over an hour-long conversation, asked the secretary of state “to find 11,780 votes” to overcome Biden’s win and maintained the false claim that he actually won the state.

Officials in Raffensperger’s office recorded the call, and the secretary of state insisted that he didn’t plan to release a copy of the recording. However, Trump continued to attack the secretary of state and give misleading statements about the nature of the conversation, and the tape was released.

The Washington Post first reported the story about the conversation.

Perdue, in an appearance on Fox News, contended that Raffensperger should not have recorded Trump.

“I guess I was raised differently,” Perdue said on Fox News. “To have a statewide elected official, regardless of party, tape without disclosing a conversation – private conversation – with the president of the United States, and then leaking it to the press is disgusting.”

With the runoff election just a day away, the exchange of words between Perdue and Raffensperger reflects the tightrope that the party faces to retain two key Senate seats and maintain some comity within the state.

Raffensperger told NBC News that he didn’t know how the tape was released but said that people are “the better for it.”

“Now everyone can listen to the whole one-hour eight-minute call with the president,” he added. “But at the end of the day, what he said was not factually correct. And I want to make sure that people understand the facts.”

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AUDIO TRANSCRIPT: Trump pressures Georgia secretary of state to ‘find’ votes to overturn Biden’s statewide win

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President Donald Trump.

In an hour-long phone recording released by The Washington Post, President Donald Trump on January 2 repeatedly pressured Georgia Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger to “find” additional votes to secure a win in the state’s presidential contest. In the November general election, President-elect Joe Biden won Georgia by nearly 13,000 votes out of roughly 5 million votes cast.

The call includes Trump; Raffensperger; White House Chief of Staff Mark Meadows; attorney Cleta Mitchell; the Georgia Secretary of State office’s general counsel, Ryan Germany; Deputy Secretary of State Jordan Fuchs; and Trump attorney Kurt Hilbert.

You can read a transcript below.

Mark Meadows: So Mr. President, everybody is on the line. And just, so this is Mark Meadows, the chief of staff, just so we all are aware. On the line is secretary of state, and two other individuals, Jordan and Mr. Germany with him; you also have the attorneys that represent the president, Kurt and Alex and Cleta Mitchell, who is not the attorney of record, but has been involved; myself; and then the president. So Mr. President, I’ll turn it over to you.

President Trump: Okay. Thank you very much. Hello, Brad and Ryan and everybody, we appreciate the time and the call. So we’ve spent a lot of time on this, and if we could just go over some of the numbers, I think it’s pretty clear that we won. We won very substantially, Georgia. You even see it by rally size, frankly; we’d be getting 25-30,000 people, a rally, and the competition would get less than 100 people, and it never made sense. But we have a number of things. We have at least, anywhere from 250 to 300,000 ballots were dropped mysteriously into the rolls. Much of that had to do with Fulton County, which hasn’t been checked. We think that if you check the signatures, a real check of the signatures going back in Fulton County, you’ll find at least a couple of hundred thousand of forged signatures – of people who have been forged. And we are quite sure that’s going to happen.

Another tremendous number, we’re going to have an accurate number over the next two days with certified accountants, but an accurate number will be given, but it’s in the fifties of thousands, and that’s people that went to vote and they were told they can’t vote because they’ve already been voted for. And it’s a very sad thing. They walked out complaining, but the number’s large, we’ll have it for you, but it’s much more than the number of 11,779. The current margin is only 11,779. Brad, I think you agree with that, right? I think at least that’s a number that everyone agrees on, but that’s the difference in the votes. But we had hundreds of thousands of ballots that we’re able to ,actually, we’ll get you a pretty accurate number.

You don’t need much of a number because the number that, in theory I lost by the margin would be 11,779, but you also have a substantial numbers of people, thousands and thousands who went to the voting place on November 3rd, were told they couldn’t vote, were told they couldn’t vote because a ballot had been put in on their name, and you know that’s very, very, very, very sad. We had, I believe it’s about 4,502 voters who voted, but who weren’t on the voter registration list. So it’s 4,502 who voted, but they were not on the voter registration roll, which they had to be. You had 18,325 vacant address voters, the address was vacant, and they’re not allowed to be counted. That’s 18,325, a smaller number. You had 904 who only voted where they had just a PO, a post office box number. And they had a post office box number and that’s not allowed.

We had at least 18,000, that’s on tape, we had them counted, very painstakingly, 18,000 voters having to do with (beep), she’s a vote scammer, a professional vote scammer and hustler, (beep). That was the tape that’s been shown all over the world that makes everybody look bad. You, me and everybody else, where number one, they said very clearly, and it’s been reported that they said there was a major water main break. Everybody fled the area. And then they came back, (beep) and her daughter and a few people. There was no Republican poll watchers. Actually, there were no Democrat poll watchers, I guess they were them, but there were no Democrats either, and there was no law enforcement.

Early in the morning, they went to the table with the black robe, the black shield, and they pulled out the votes. Those votes were put there a number of hours before. The table was put there, I think it was – Brad, you would know – it was probably eight hours or seven hours before. And then it was stuffed with votes. They weren’t in an official voter box, they were in what looked to be suitcases or trunks, suitcases, but they weren’t in voter boxes. The minimum number it could be because we watched it, and they watched it, certified in slow motion, instant replay, if you can believe it, but had slow motion. And it was magnified many times over and the minimum, it was was 18,000 ballots, all for Biden.

You had out-of-state voters, they voted in Georgia, but they were from out of state, of 4,925. You had absentee ballots sent to vacant addresses; they had nothing on them about addresses. That’s 2,326. And you had drop boxes, which was very bad. You had drop boxes that were picked up, we have photographs and we have affidavits for many people. I don’t know if you saw the hearings, but you have drop boxes where the box was picked up and not delivered for three days. So all sorts of things could have happened to that box, including putting in the votes that you wanted.

So there are many infractions and the bottom line is many, many times the 11,779 margin that they said we lost by. I mean, the state is in turmoil over this, and I know you would like to get to the bottom of it. Although I saw you on television today, and you said that you found nothing wrong, I mean, you know. And I didn’t lose the state, Brad. People have been saying that it was the highest vote ever. There was no way. A lot of the political people said that there’s no way they beat me. And they beat me. They beat me in the, as you know, every single state, we won every state, we won every state house in the country. We held the Senate, which is shocking to people, although we’ll see what happens tomorrow or in a few days. And we won the House. But we won every single state house. And we won Congress, which was supposed to lose 15 seats, and they gained, I think, 16 or 17 or something. I think there’s now a difference of five. There was supposed to be a difference substantially more. But politicians in every state, but politicians in Georgia have given affidavits and are going to, that there was no way they’d beat me in the election, that the people came out.

In fact, they were expecting to lose, and they ended up winning by a lot because of the coattails. And they said there’s no way, that they’ve done many polls prior to the election, there was no way that they won. Ballots were dropped in massive numbers, and we’re trying to get to those numbers, and we will have them, they’ll take a period of time, certified. But they’re massive numbers, and far greater than the 11,779. The other thing, dead people. So dead people voted. And I think the number is close to 5,000 people. And they went to obituaries, they went to all sorts of methods to come up with an accurate number, and a minimum is close to about 5,000 voters. The bottom line is, when you add it all up, and then you start adding, you know, 300,000 fake ballots, then the other thing they said is in Fulton County and other areas, and this may or may not be, because it’s just came up this morning, that they are burning their ballots, that they are shredding ballots and removing equipment. They’re changing the equipment on the Dominion machines, and that’s not legal. And they supposedly shredded, I think they said 3,000 pounds of ballots, and that just came to us as a report today. And yeah, it’s a very sad situation.

But Brad, if you took the minimum numbers were many, many times above the 11,779, and many of those numbers are certified or they will be certified, but they are certified. So those are numbers that are there, and that exist, that beat the margin of loss. They beat it, I mean, by a lot, and people should be happy to have an accurate count, so instead of an election with this turmoil. I mean, there’s turmoil in Georgia and other places. You’re not the only one. I mean, we have other states that I believe will be flipping to us very shortly, but this is something that’s – you know, as an example, I think in Detroit, and I think there’s a good section of your state actually, which we’re not sure, so we’re not going to report it yet, but in Detroit we had I think it was 139% of the people voted. That’s not too good.

In Pennsylvania, they had well over 200,000 more votes than they had people voting. And that doesn’t play too well. And the legislature there, which is Republican, is extremely activist and angry. But I mean, there were other things also that were almost as bad as that, but they had, as an example of Michigan, a tremendous number of dead people that voted. I think, Mark, it was 18,000, some unbelievably high number, much higher than yours. You were in the 4 to 5,000 category, and that was checked out laboriously by going through the obituary columns in the newspapers.

So I guess with all of it being said, Brad, it’s the bottom line and provisional ballots again, you know, you’ll have to tell me about the provisional ballots, but we have a lot of people that were complaining that they weren’t able to vote because they were already voted for, and these are great people, and you know they were shell shocked. I don’t know if you call that, “provisional ballots.” In some states, we had a lot of provisional ballot situations where people were given a provisional ballot because when they walked into November 3rd, they were already voted for.

So that’s it. I mean, we have many, many times the number of votes necessary to win this state, and we won the state, and we won it very substantially and easily, and we’re getting, much of this is, they’re certified, far more are certified than we need, but we’re getting additional numbers certified too, and we’re getting pictures of drop boxes being delivered, and delivered late, and delivered three days later, in some cases, plus we have many affidavits to that effect.

Mark Meadows: So Mr. President, if I might be able to jump in and I’ll give Brad a chance. Mr. Secretary, obviously there are allegations where we believe that not every vote, or fair vote, and legal vote, was counted. And that’s at odds with the representation from the secretary of state’s office. What I’m hopeful for is, is there some way that we can find some kind of agreement to look at this a little bit more fully. The president mentioned Fulton County, but in some of these areas where there seems to be a difference of where the facts seem to lead. And so Mr. Secretary, I was hopeful that in a spirit of cooperation and compromise is there something that we can at least have a discussion to look at some of these allegations, to find a path forward that’s less litigious?

Brad Raffensperger: Well, I’ve listened to what the president has just said. President Trump, we’ve had several lawsuits and we’ve had to respond in court to the lawsuits and the contentions. We don’t agree that you have one, and I didn’t agree about the 200,000 number that you’d had mentioned. And I could go through that point by point. What we have done is we gave our state Senate about one and a half hours of our time, going through the election issue by issue. And then on the state House, the Government Affairs Committee, we gave them about two and a half hours of our time, going back point by point on all the issues of contention. And then just a few days ago, we met with our US congressmen, Republican congressmen, and we gave them about two hours of our time talking about this past election. Going back, primarily what you’ve talked about here, focused in on primarily, I believe, is the absentee ballot process. I don’t believe that you’re really questioning the Dominion machines, because we did a hand re-tally, a 100% re-tally of all the ballots, and compared that to what the machine said, and it came up with virtually the same result. Then we did the recount, we got virtually the same result. So I guess we could probably take that off the table, I don’t think there’s an issue about that. I think what you were-

President Trump: Well, Brad, not that there’s not an issue, because we have a big issue with Dominion in other states, and perhaps in yours, but we haven’t felt we needed to go there. And just to maybe put a little different spin on what Mark is saying, Mark Meadows. Yeah, we’d like to go further, but we don’t really need to, we have all the votes we need. You know, we won the state. These are the most minimal numbers, the numbers that I gave you.

Those are numbers that are certified, your absentee ballots sent to vacant addresses, your out-of-state voters, 4,925. You know, when you add them up, it’s many times the 11,779 number. So we could go through, we have not gone through your Dominion, so we can’t give them blessing. I mean, in other states we think we’ve found tremendous corruption with Dominion machines, but we’ll have to see. But we only lost the state by that number, 11,779. So with that being said, with just what we have, we’re giving you minimum numbers. We’re doing the most conservative numbers possible. We’re many times, many, many times above the margin, and so we don’t really have to. Mark, I don’t think we have to go through the machines, because what’s the difference between winning the election by two votes and winning it by a half a million votes? I think probably did win it by a half a million.

One of the things that happened, Brad, is we have other people coming in now from Alabama and from South Carolina and from other states, and they’re saying, “It’s impossible for you to have lost Georgia.” We won. You know, in Alabama we set a record, got the highest vote ever. In Georgia, we set a record with a massive amount of votes, and they say it’s not possible to have lost Georgia. I could tell you by our rallies. I could tell you by the rally I’m having on Monday night. The place, they already have lines of people standing out front waiting. It’s just not possible to have lost Georgia. It’s not possible. When I heard it was close, I said, “There’s no way,” but they dropped a lot of votes in there late at night. You know that, Brad, and that’s what we are working on very, very stringently.

But regardless of those votes, all of it being said, we lost by essentially 11,000 votes, and we have many more votes already calculated and certified too. So I just don’t know. Mark, I don’t know what’s the purpose. I won’t give Dominion a pass because we found too many bad things, but we don’t need Dominion or anything else. We have won this election in Georgia based on all of this, and there’s nothing wrong with saying that, Brad. I mean, having a correct – the people of Georgia are angry, and these numbers are going to be repeated on Monday night, along with others that we’re going to have by that time, which are much more substantial even, and the people of Georgia are angry. The people of the country are angry, and there’s nothing wrong saying that you’ve recalculated, because the 2,236 in absentee ballots, I mean, they’re all exact numbers that were done by accounting firms, law firms, et cetera, and even if you cut them in half, cut them in half and cut them in half again, it’s more votes than we need.

Brad Raffensperger: Well, Mr. President, the challenge that you have is the data you have is wrong. We talked to the congressmen, and they were surprised, but I guess there’s a person named Mr. Braynard that came to these meetings and presented data, and he said that there was dead people. I believe it was upward of 5,000. The actual number were two. Two. Two people that were dead that voted, and so that’s wrong. That was two.

President Trump: Well, Cleta, how do you respond to that? I mean, you tell me.

Cleta Mitchell: What I will say, Mr. Secretary, one of the things that we have requested, and what we said was, and if you read our petition, it said that we took the names and birth years, and we had certain information available to us. We have asked from your office for records that only you have, and so we said there’s a universe of people who had the same name and same birth year and die, but we don’t have the records that you have. And one of the things that we have been suggesting, formally and informally, for weeks now, is for you to make available to us the records that would be necessary to confirm.

President Trump: Cleta, even before you do that, and not even including that. That’s why I hardly even included that number, although, in one state we have a tremendous amount of dead people, so I don’t know. I’m sure we do in Georgia too. I’m sure we do in Georgia, too. But we’re so far ahead. We’re so far ahead of these numbers, even the phony ballots of (beep), known scammer. You know the internet? You know what was trending on the internet? Where’s (beep), because they thought she would be in jail. Where’s (beep)? It’s crazy. It’s crazy. The minimum number is 18,000 for (beep), but they think it’s probably about 56,000, but the minimum number is 18,000. (Beep), where she ran back in there when everybody was gone and stuffed. She stuffed the ballot boxes. Let’s face it, Brad. I mean, they did it in slow motion replay magnified, right? She stuffed the ballot boxes. They were stuffed like nobody’s ever seen them stuffed before.

So there’s a term for it when a machine instead of a ballot box, but she stuffed the machine. She stuffed the ballot. Each ballot went three times. They were showing, here’s ballot number one. Here it is a second time, third time. Next ballot. I mean, look, Brad. We have a new tape that we’re going to release. It’s devastating. And by the way, that one event, that one event, is much more than the 11,000 votes that we’re talking about. That one event was a disaster, but it was something that it can’t be disputed. And again, we have a version that you haven’t seen, but it’s magnified. It’s magnified and you can see everything, and for some reason they put it in three times, each ballot, and I don’t know why. I don’t know why three times. Why not five times, right? But, yeah, go ahead.

Brad Raffensperger: You’re talking about the State Farm video, and I think it’s extremely unfortunate that Rudy Giuliani or his people – they sliced and diced that video and took it out of context. So the next day, we brought in WSB-TV and we let them see the full run of tape, and what you’ll see, the events that transpired are nowhere near what was projected by-

President Trump: But where were the poll watchers, Brad? There were no poll watchers there. There were no Democrats or Republicans. There was no security there. It was late in the evening or early in the morning, and there was nobody else in the room. Where were the poll watchers? And why did they say a water main broke, which they did and which is reported in the newspapers. They said they left, they ran out because of a water main break, and there was no water main. There was nothing. There was no break. There was no water main break. But if you take out everything, where were the Republican poll watchers? Even where were the Democrat poll watchers, because there were none. And then you say, “Well, they left their station.”

You know, if you look at the tape, and this was reviewed by professional police and detectives and other people. When they left in a rush, everybody left in a rush because of the water main, but everybody left in a rush. These people left their station. When they came back, they didn’t go to their station. They went to the apron wrapped around the table, under which were thousands and thousands of ballots in a box that was not an official or a sealed box, and then they took those and they went back to a different station. So if they would’ve come back, they would have walked to their station and they would have continued to work, but they couldn’t do even that, because that’s illegal, because they had no Republican poll watchers.

And remember, her reputation is devastating. She’s known all over the internet, Brad. She’s known all over it. I’m telling you, “Where’s (beep)?” was one of the hot items on the (beep). They knew her. Where’s (beep)? So, Brad, you know, there can be no justification for that. You know, I give everybody the benefit of the doubt, but that was – and, Brad, why did they put the votes in three times? They put them in three times.

Brad Raffensperger: Mr. President, they did not put that. We did an audit of that, and we’ve proved conclusively that they were not scanned three times.

President Trump: Well, where was everybody else at that late time in the morning? Where was everybody? Where were the Republicans? Where were the security guards? Where were the people that were there just a little while before, when everyone ran out of the room? How come we had no security there? Why did they run to the bottom of the table? Why did they run there and just open the skirt and rip out the votes? I mean, Brad. And they were sitting there, I think for five hours or something like that, the votes, but they just all happened to run back and go. You know, Brad?

Brad Raffensperger: Yeah. Mr. President, we’ll send you the link from WSP that-

President Trump: I don’t care about a link. I don’t need it. Brad, I have a much better link.

Cleta Mitchell: Mr. Secretary, I will tell you. I’ve seen the tape. The full tape. So has Alex. We’ve watched it, and what we saw, and what we’ve confirmed in the timing, is that they made everybody leave. We have sworn affidavits saying that. And then they began to process ballots. And our estimate is that there were roughly 18,000 ballots. We don’t know that. If you know that, we’d like to know.

President Trump: It was 18,000 ballots, but they used each one three times.

Cleta Mitchell: Well, I don’t know about that, but I do know-

President Trump: Well, I do, because we had our magnified out.

Cleta Mitchell: I’ve watched the entire tape.

President Trump: But nobody can make a case for that Brad. Nobody. I mean, you’d have to be a child to think anything other than that. Just a child. I mean, you have your Never Trump attorney in there.

Cleta Mitchell: How many ballots? How many ballots, Mr. Secretary, are you saying that were processed then?

Brad Raffensperger: We had GBI thoroughly investigate that.

Ryan Germany: This is Ryan Germany. We had our law enforcement officers talk to everyone who was there after that event came to light. GBI was with them, as well as FBI agents.

President Trump: Well, there’s no way. Then they’re incompetent. They’re either dishonest or incompetent, okay?

Cleta Mitchell: Well, what did they find?

President Trump: There’s only two answers, dishonesty or incompetence. There’s just no way. Look, there’s no way. And on the other thing, I said too, there’s no way. I mean, there’s no way that these things could have been. You have all these different people that voted, but they don’t live in Georgia anymore. What was that number, Cleta? It was a pretty good number too.

Cleta Mitchell: Well, the number who have registered out-of-state after they moved from Georgia. So they had a date when they moved from Georgia, they registered to vote out-of-state, and then it’s like 4,500. I don’t have that number right in front of me.

President Trump: And then they came back in and they voted.

Cleta Mitchell: And voted, yeah.

President Trump: That was a large number, though. It was in the 20s. The point is-

Ryan Germany: We’ve been going through each of those as well, and those numbers that we got, that Ms. Mitchell was just saying, they’re not accurate. Everyone we’ve been through are people that lived in Georgia, moved to a different state, but then moved back to Georgia legitimately. And in many cases.

President Trump: How many people do that? They moved out and then they said, “Ah, to hell with it. I’ll move back in.” It doesn’t sound very normal. You mean they moved out, and what? They missed it so much that they wanted to move back in? It’s crazy.

Ryan Germany: Well, this is they moved back in years ago. This was not like something just before the election. So there’s something about that data that’s just not accurate.

President Trump: Well, I don’t know. All I know is that it is certified, and they moved out of Georgia, and they voted. It didn’t say they moved back in, Cleta, did it?

Cleta Mitchell: No, but I mean, we’re looking at the voter registration. Again, if you have additional records, we’ve been asking for that, but you haven’t shared any of that with us. You just keep saying you investigated the allegations.

President Trump: Cleta, a lot of it you don’t need to be shared. I mean, to be honest, they should share it. They should share it because you want to get to an honest election. I won this election by hundreds of thousands of votes. There’s no way I lost Georgia. There’s no way. We won by hundreds of thousands of votes. I’m just going by small numbers. When you add them up, they’re many times the 11,000. But I won that state by hundreds of thousands of votes. Now, do you think it’s possible that they shredded ballots in Fulton County, because that’s what the rumor is. And also, that Dominion took out machines, that Dominion is really moving fast to get rid of their machinery. Do you know anything about that? Because that’s illegal.

Ryan Germany: This is Ryan Germany. No, Dominion has not moved any machinery out of Fulton County.

President Trump: But have they moved the inner parts of the machines and replaced them with other parts?

Ryan Germany: No.

President Trump: Are you sure, Ryan?

Ryan Germany: I’m sure. I’m sure, Mr. President.

President Trump: What about the ballots, the shredding of the ballots? Have they been shredding ballots?

Ryan Germany: No. The only investigation that we have into that, they have not been shredding any ballots. There was an issue in Cobb County where they were doing normal office shredding, getting rid of old stuff, and we investigated that. But this is stuff from past elections.

President Trump: I don’t know about that. It doesn’t pass the smell test, though, because we hear they’re shredding thousands and thousands of ballots and now what they’re saying, “Oh, we’re just cleaning up the office.” Yeah, I don’t think that’s likely.

Brad Raffensperger: Mr. President, the problem you have with social media, people can say anything.

President Trump: No, this isn’t social media. This is Trump media. It’s not social media. It’s really not. It’s not social media. I don’t care about social media. I couldn’t care less. Social media is Big Tech. Big Tech is on your side. I don’t even know why you have a side, because you should want to have an accurate election. And you’re a Republican.

Brad Raffensperger: We believe that we do have an accurate election.

President Trump: No. No, you don’t. No, no you don’t. You don’t have. Not even close. You’re off by hundreds of thousands of votes, and just on the small numbers. You’re off on these numbers, and these numbers can’t be just. Well, why won’t. Okay, so you sent us into Cobb County for signature verification, right? You send us into Cobb County for a signature verification. You send us into Cobb County, which we didn’t want to go into. And you said it would be open to the public, and we could have our, so we had our experts there. They weren’t allowed into the room.

But we didn’t want Cobb County. We wanted Fulton County, and you wouldn’t give it to us. Now, why aren’t we doing signature, and why can’t it be open to the public? And why can’t we have professionals do it instead of rank amateurs that will never find anything and don’t want to find anything? They don’t want to find, you know they don’t want to find anything. Someday you’ll tell me the reason why, because I don’t understand your reasoning, but someday you’ll tell me the reason why, but why don’t you want-

Brad Raffensperger: Mr. President, we chose Cobb County-

President Trump: Why don’t you want to find, what?

Brad Raffensperger: Sorry, go ahead.

President Trump: Okay. So why did you do Cobb County? We requested Fulton County, not Cobb County.

Cleta Mitchell: Well, Mr. President-

Brad Raffensperger: We chose Cobb County-

President Trump: Yeah, go ahead, please. Go ahead.

Brad Raffensperger: We chose Cobb County because that was the only county where there’s been any evidence submitted that a signature verification was not properly done.

President Trump: I told you, but we’re not saying that

Cleta Mitchell: Yeah, you did say that. You did say that.

President Trump: We’re the aggrieved party. Fulton County, look Stacey [Abrams], in my opinion, Stacey is as dishonest as they come. She has outplayed you at every heart, at everything. She got you to sign a totally unconstitutional agreement, which is a disastrous agreement. You can’t check signatures. You can’t do it. I can’t imagine you’re allowed to do harvesting, I guess in that agreement. That agreement is a disaster for this country. But she got you somehow to sign that thing. And she’s outsmarted you at every step. And I hate to imagine what’s going to happen on Monday or Tuesday, but it’s very scary to people. Where the ballots flow in out of nowhere. It’s very scary to people. That consent decree is a disaster. It’s a disaster. A very good lawyer who examined it said they’ve never seen anything like it.

Brad Raffensperger: Ballot harvesting is still illegal in the state of Georgia, and that settlement agreement did not change that.

President Trump: Well, it’s not a settlement agreement. It’s a consent decree. It even says consent decree on it, doesn’t it? It uses the term consent decree. It doesn’t say settlement agreement. It’s a consent decree. It’s a disaster.

Brad Raffensperger: It’s a settlement agreement.

President Trump: What’s written on top of it?

Brad Raffensperger: Ryan?

Ryan Germany: I don’t have it in front of me, but it was not entered by the court. It’s not a court order.

President Trump: No, but Ryan it’s called a consent decree, is that right? On the paper, is that right?

Ryan Germany: I don’t believe so. But I don’t have it in front of me.

President Trump: Okay. Whatever. It’s a disaster. Look. Here’s the problem. We can go through signature verification, and we’ll find hundreds of thousands of signatures, if you let us do it. And the only way you can do it as you know is to go to the past, but you didn’t do that in Cobb County. You just looked at one page compared to another. The only way you can do a signature verification is go from the one that signed it on November whatever, recently, and compare it to two years ago, four years ago, six years ago, or even one. And you’ll find that you have many different signatures. But in Fulton where they dumped the ballots, you will find that you have many that aren’t even signed, and you have many that are forgeries, okay? You know that, you know that, you have no doubt about that. And you will find, you will be at 11,779 within minutes, because Fulton County is totally corrupt. And so is she, totally corrupt. And they’re going around, playing you and laughing at you behind your back, Brad, whether you know it or not, they’re laughing at you.

And you’ve taken a state that’s a Republican state and you’ve made it almost impossible for a Republican to win because of cheating, because they cheated like nobody’s ever cheated before. And I don’t care how long it takes me, we’re going to have other states coming forward pretty good. But we have, some incredible talents, said they’ve never seen anything. Now the problem is they need more time for the big numbers, but there are very substantial numbers.

And I think you’re going to find that they, by the way, a little information, I think you’re going to find that they are shredding ballots, because they have to get rid of the ballots, because the ballots are unsigned. The ballots are corrupt. And they’re brand new and they don’t have seals. There’s a whole thing with the ballots, but the ballots are corrupt. And you’re going to find that they are, which is totally illegal. It’s more illegal for you than it is for them, because you know what they did, and you’re not reporting it. You know, that’s a criminal offense. And you can’t let that happen. That’s a big risk to you and to Ryan, your lawyer, that’s a big risk.

But they are shredding ballots, in my opinion, based on what I’ve heard. And they are removing machinery, and they’re moving it as fast as they can, both of which are criminal fines, and you can’t let it happen, and you are letting it happen. You know what I mean? I’m notifying you that you’re letting it happen. So look, all I want to do is this, I just want to find 11,780 votes, which is one more than we have, because we won the state, and flipping the state is a great testament to our country because, it’s a testament that they can admit to a mistake, or whatever you want to call it if it was a mistake, I don’t know. A lot of people think it wasn’t a mistake. It was much more criminal than that, but it’s a big problem in Georgia. And it’s not a problem that’s going away. It’s not a problem that’s going away.

Ryan Germany: Mr. President, this is Ryan. We’re looking into every one of those things that you mentioned.

President Trump: Okay, good, But if you find them, you got to say it, Ryan.

Ryan Germany: And we are. We will.

President Trump: Ryan, if they’re destroying ballots-

Ryan Germany: Let me tell you what we are seeing.

President Trump: Go ahead, go ahead.

Ryan Germany: What we’re seeing is not at all what you’re describing. These are investigators from our office. These are investigators from GBI. And they’re looking, and they’re good, and that’s not what they’re seeing. And we’ll keep looking. We’ll keep looking at all these things.

President Trump: Well you better check on the ballots, because they are shredding ballots, Ryan. I’m just telling you, Ryan. They’re shredding ballots. And you should look at that very carefully, because that’s so illegal. You may not even believe it because it’s so bad, but they’re shredding ballots. Because they think we’re going to eventually get there. Because we’ll eventually get into Fulton. In my opinion it’s never too late. Little double sound there. So, that’s the story fellas. Look, we need only 11,000 votes. We have far more than that as it stands now, we’ll have more and more. And do you have provisional ballots at all, Brad, provisional ballots?

Brad Raffensperger: Provisional ballots are allowed by state law.

President Trump: Sure. But you have them? I mean, are they counted, or did you just hold them back? In other words, how many provisional ballots do you have in the state?

Brad Raffensperger: We’ll get you that number.

President Trump: Because most of them are made out to the name Trump, because these are people that were scammed when they came in, and we have thousands of people that have testified, or that want to testify. When they came in, they were proudly go into vote on November 3rd. And they were told, “I’m sorry, you’ve already been voted for, you’ve already voted.” The women, men started screaming, “No, I proudly voted until November 3rd.” They said, “I’m sorry, but you’ve already been voted for, and you have a ballot.” And these people are beside themselves. So they went out and they filled in a provisional ballot putting the name Trump on it. And what about that batch of military ballots that came in? And even though I won the military by a lot, it was 100% Biden, do you know about that?

A large group of ballots came in. I think it was to Fulton County, and they just happened to be 100% for Biden, even though Trump won the military by a lot, a tremendous amount. But these ballots were 100% for Biden. Do you know about that? A very substantial number came in all for Biden. Does anybody know about it?

Cleta Mitchell: I know about it but we were never-

President Trump: Okay Cleta, wait, I’m not asking you, Cleta, honestly. I’m asking Brad, do you know about the military ballots that we have confirmed now? Do you know about the military ballots that came in that were 100%, I mean 100% for Biden. Do you know about that?

Ryan Germany: I don’t know about that. I do know that we have, when military ballots come in, it’s not just military, it’s also military and overseas citizens. The military part of that does generally go Republican. The overseas citizen part of it generally goes very Democrat…. So you have a mix of them.

President Trump: Yeah, that’s okay. But I got like 78% in the military. These ballots were all for, they didn’t tell me overseas, it could be overseas too, but I get votes overseas too, Ryan, in all fairness. No, they came in a large batch, came in, and it was quote, 100% for Biden. And that is criminal, that’s criminal. That’s another criminal, that’s another of the many criminal events. Many criminal events here. I don’t know, look Brad, I have to find 12,000 votes. And I have them times a lot. And therefore I won the state, that’s before we go to the next step, which is in the process of right now, you know. And I watched you this morning and you said, well, there was no criminality, but I mean, all of this stuff is very dangerous stuff, when you talk about no criminality, I think it’s very dangerous for you to say that. I just don’t know why you don’t want to have the votes counted as they are. Even you, when you went and did that check. And I was surprised, because I didn’t get the check. And we found a few thousand votes that were against me.

I was actually surprised, because the way that check was done, all you’re doing is recertifying existing votes. And you were given votes, and you just counted them up. And you still found 3,000 that were bad, that was sort of surprising. Three or five, I don’t know, it was still a lot of votes, but you have to go back to check from past years with respect to signatures. And if you check with Fulton County, you’ll have hundreds of thousands, because they dumped ballots into Fulton County, and the other county next to it. So what are we going to do here folks? I only need 11,000 votes. Fellas, I need 11,000 votes. Give me a break. We have that in spades already, or we could keep it going, but that’s not fair to the voters of Georgia, because they’re going to see what happened, they’re going to see what happened.

I mean, I’ll take on anybody you want with regard to (beep) and her lovely daughter, a very lovely young lady, I’m sure, but (beep) I will take on (beep) anybody you want. And the minimum, there were 18,000 ballots, but they used them three times. So that’s a lot of votes. And that one event, and they were all to Biden by the way. That’s the other thing we didn’t say. You know the one thing I forgot to say, which was the most important, do you know that every single ballot she did went to Biden? You know that, right? Do you know that by the way, Brad? Every single ballot that she did through the machine early, early in the morning, went to Biden. Did you know that Ryan?

Ryan Germany: That’s not accurate, Mr. President.

President Trump: Huh. What is accurate?

Ryan Germany: The numbers that we are showing are accurate.

President Trump: No, no. About early in the morning, Ryan, when the woman, when the whole gang took this stuff out from under the table, right? Do you know who those ballots, do you know who they were made out to? Do you know who they were voting for?

Ryan Germany: No, not specifically.

President Trump: Did you ever check?

Ryan Germany: We did what I described to you earlier.

President Trump: No, no, no. Did you ever check the ballots that were scanned by (beep), a known political operative balloteer? Did you ever check who those votes were for?

Ryan Germany: We’ve looked into that situation that you described.

President Trump: No, they were 100% for Biden. 100%. There wasn’t a Trump vote in the whole group. Why don’t you want to find this, Ryan? What’s wrong with you? I heard your lawyer is very difficult, actually, but I’m sure you’re a good lawyer. You have a nice last name. But I’m just curious why do you keep fighting this thing? It just doesn’t make sense. We’re way over the 17,779, right? We’re way over that number. And just if you took (beep), we’re over that number by five or six times, when you multiply it out times three. And every single ballot went to Biden. And you didn’t know that, but now you know it. So tell me, Brad, what are we going to do? We won the election and it’s not fair to take it away from us like this. And it’s going to be very costly, in many ways, nd I think you have to say that you’re going to reexamine it. And you can reexamine it, but reexamine it with people that want to find answers, not people that don’t want to find answers.

For instance, I’m hearing Ryan, and he’s probably, I’m sure a great lawyer and everything, but he’s making statements about those ballots that he doesn’t know. But he’s making it with such, he did make them with surety, but now I think he’s less sure because the answer is they all went to Biden. And that alone wins us the election, by a lot.

Brad Raffensperger: Mr. President, you have people that submit information and we have our people that submit information, and then it comes before the court, and the court then has to make a determination. We have to stand by our numbers. We believe our numbers are right.

President Trump: Why do you say that, though? I don’t know. I mean, sure, we can play this game with the courts, but why do you say that? First of all, they don’t even assign us a judge. They don’t even assign us a judge. But hey, Brad, why wouldn’t you want to check out [beep] and why wouldn’t you want to say, “If in fact, President Trump is right about that, then he wins the state of Georgia.” Just that one incident alone, without going through hundreds of thousands of dropped ballots? You just say, you stick by… I mean, I’ve been watching you for… You don’t care about anything. Your numbers are right. But you’re numbers aren’t right. They’re really wrong. And they’re really wrong, Brad. I know this phone call’s going nowhere other than, other than ultimately… Look, ultimately, I win.

Cleta Mitchell: Mr. Secretary, Mr. President-

President Trump: You guys are so wrong, and you’ve treated the population of Georgia so badly, between you and your governor, who was down at 21-he was down 21 points and, like a schmuck, I endorsed him and he got elected. But I will tell you, he’s a disaster. The people are so angry in Georgia, I can’t imagine he’s ever getting elected again, I’ll tell you that much right now. But why wouldn’t you want to find the right answer, Brad, instead of keep saying the numbers are right? Because those numbers are so wrong.

Cleta Mitchell: Mr. Secretary, Mr. President. I mean, one of the things that we have been… Alex can talk about this, we’ve talked about it, and I don’t know whether the information has been conveyed to your office, but I think what the president’s saying, what we’ve been trying to do is to say, “Look, the court is not acting on our petition. They haven’t even assigned a judge, but the people of Georgia and the people of America have a right to know the answers.” And you have data and records that we don’t have access to, and you keep telling us and making public statements that you’ve investigated this and, you know, nothing to see here. But we don’t know about that. All we know is what you tell us.

What I don’t understand is why wouldn’t it be in everyone’s best interest to try to get to the bottom, compare the numbers … to try to be able to the truth, because we don’t have any way of confirming what you’re telling us. You tell us that you’ve had an investigation of the State Farm Arena. I don’t have any, I’ve never seen a report of investigation. I don’t know what that is. I’ve been pretty involved in this and I don’t know. And that’s just one of 25 categories. And as the president said, we haven’t even gotten into the Dominion issue. That’s not part of our case. We just didn’t feel as though we had any way to be able to develop-

President Trump: No. We do have a way, but I don’t want to get into it-

Cleta Mitchell: Exactly.

President Trump: Because we have found a way in other states, Cleta. Excuse me, but we don’t need it because we’re only down 11,000 votes, so we don’t even need it. I personally think they’re corrupt as hell, but we don’t need that because all we have to do, Cleta, is find 11,000-plus votes, so we don’t need that. I’m not looking to shake up the whole world. We won Georgia easily. We won it by hundreds of thousands of votes. But if you go by basic simple numbers, we won it easily, easily. We’re not giving a Dominion a pass, on the record.

Cleta Mitchell: Right, exactly.

President Trump: But we don’t need don’t Dominion because we have so many other votes, that we don’t need to prove it anymore than we already have.

Kurt Hilbert: Mr. President and Cleta, this is Kurt Hilbert, if I might interject here for a moment. Ryan, I would like to suggest that just four categories, that have already been mentioned by the president, that have actually of, hard numbers, of 24,149 votes that were counted illegally. That in and of itself is sufficient to change the results or place the outcome in doubt. We would like to just sit down with your office and we can do it through purposes of compromise and settlement, just like this phone call, just to deal with that limited category of votes. And if you are able to establish that our numbers are not accurate, then fine. However, we believe that they are accurate. We’ve had now three to four separate experts look at these numbers. These numbers are based upon the US-

President Trump: And certified accountants looked at them.

Kurt Hilbert: Correct. And this is just based on USDS data and your own secretary of state data. So that’s what we would entreat and ask you to, to sit down with us in a compromise and settlement proceeding, and actually go through the registered voter IDs and the registrations. And if you can convince us that that 24,149 is inaccurate, then fine. But we tend to believe that that is obviously more than 11,779. That’s sufficient to change the result entirely in and of itself. So what would you say to that, Mr. Germany?

Ryan Germany: Kurt, I’m happy to. I’ll get with our lawyers and we’ll set that up. That number is not accurate, and I think we can show you of all the ones we’ve looked at why it’s not. And so if that would be helpful, I’m happy to get with our lawyers and set that up with you guys.

President Trump: Well, let me ask you Kurt, Kurt, you think that is an accurate number. That was based on the information given to you by the secretary of state’s department, right?

Kurt Hilbert: That is correct. That information is the minimum, most conservative data, based upon the USDS data and the secretary of state’s office data. That has been made publicly available. We do not have the internal numbers from the secretary of state, yet we have asked for it six times. I’ve sent a letter over … several times requesting this information and it’s been rebuffed every single time. So it stands to reason that if the information is not forthcoming, there’s something to hide. That’s the problem that we have.

Ryan Germany: Well, that’s not the case. There are things that you guys are entitled to get and there’s things that, under law, we are not allowed to give out.

President Trump: Well, you have to. Well under the law, you’re not allowed to give faulty election results. Okay? You’re not allowed to do that and that’s what you’ve done. This is a faulty election result. And honestly, this should go very fast. You should meet tomorrow because you have a big election coming up, and because of what you’ve done to the president – the people of Georgia know that this was a scam. And because of what you’ve done to the President, a lot of people aren’t going out to vote and a lot of Republicans are going to vote negative because they hate what you did to the President. They hate it, and they’re going to vote.

You would be respected, really respected, if this thing could be straightened out before the election. You have a big election coming up on Tuesday, and therefore I think that it really is important that you meet tomorrow and work out on these numbers. Because I know, Brad, that if you think we’re right, I think you’re going to say… And I’m not looking to blame anybody, I’m just saying that under new counts, under new views of the election results, we won the election. It’s very simple, we won the election.

As the governor of major states in the surrounding states said, “There is no way you lost Georgia.” As the Georgia politicians say, “There is no way you lost Georgia.” Everyone knows I won it by hundreds of thousands of votes. But I’ll tell you, it’s going to have a big impact on Tuesday if you guys don’t get this thing straightened out fast.

Mark Meadows: Well, Mr. President, this is Mark. Let me just – it sounds like we’ve got two different sides agreeing that we can look at those areas, and I assume that we can do that within the next 24 to 48 hours, to go ahead and get that reconciled so that we can look at the two claims and making sure that we get the access to the secretary of state’s data, to either validate or invalidate the claims that have been made. Is that correct?

Ryan Germany: No, that’s not what I said. I’m happy to sit down, to have our lawyers sit down with Kurt and the lawyers on that side and explain to him, “Hey, here’s, based on what we’ve looked at so far, here’s how we know this is wrong. This is wrong. This is wrong. This is wrong. This is wrong.” And we-

Mark Meadows: So what’s your saying, Ryan… Hold on. Let me make sure. So, what you’re saying is you really don’t want to give access to the data. You just want to make another case on why the lawsuit is wrong?

Ryan Germany: I don’t think we can give access to data that’s protected by law. But we can sit down with them and say, “Hey, we’re looking to…”

President Trump: But you’re allowed to have a phony election? You’re allowed to have a phony election, right?

Ryan Germany: No, sir.

President Trump: When are you going to do the signature counts? When are you going to do signature verification on Fulton County? Which you said you were going to do, and now all of a sudden you’re not doing it. When are you doing that?

Kurt Hilbert: Mr. President, to get to this issue of issue of the personal information and privacy issue, is it possible that the secretary of state could deputize the lawyers for the president, so that we could access that information, that private information, without you having any kind of violation?

President Trump: Well, I don’t want to know who it is. You guys can do it very confidentially. You can sign a confidentiality agreement. That’s okay. I don’t need to know names. But we got the information, on this stuff that we’re talking about, we got all that information from the secretary of state.

Mark Meadows: Yeah, so let me recommend, Ryan, if you and Kurt we’ll get together when we get off of this phone call, if you could get together and work out a plan to address some of what we’ve got with your attorneys, where we can actually look at the data. For example, Mr. Secretary, I can tell you, you say there was only two dead people that would vote. I can promise you there are more than that. And that may be what your investigation shows, but I can promise you there were more than that. But at the same time, I think it’s important that we go ahead and move expeditiously to try to do this and resolve it as quickly as we possibly can.

Mark Meadows: And if that’s the good next step, hopefully we can finish this phone call and go ahead and agree that the two of you will to get together immediately.

President Trump: Well, why don’t my lawyers show you where you got the information. It will show the secretary of state and you don’t even have to look at any names. We don’t want names. We don’t care. But we got that information from you, and Stacey Abrams is laughing about. She’s going around saying, “These guys are dumber than a rock.” What she’s done to this party is unbelievable, I tell you. And I only ran against her once and that was with a guy named Brian Kemp, and I beat her. And if I didn’t run, Brian wouldn’t of had even a shot, either in the general or in the primary. He was dead, dead as a door nail. He never thought he had a shot at either one of them. What a schmuck I was. But that’s the way it is, that’s the way it is.

For the attorneys on my side, I’d like you to perhaps meet with Ryan, ideally tomorrow, because I think we should come to a resolution of this before the election, otherwise you’re going to have people just not voting. They don’t want to vote. They hate the state, they hate the governor, and they hate the secretary of state. I will tell you that right now. And he only people that like you are people that will never vote for you. You know that Brad, right? They like you. They like you. They can’t believe what they found. They want more people like you.

So look, can you get together tomorrow? And Brad, we just want the truth. It’s simple. Everyone’s going to look very good if the truth comes out. It’s okay, it take a little while, but let the truth come out. The real truth is I won by 400,000 votes, at least. That’s the real truth. But we don’t need 400,000 votes. We need a less than 2,000 votes. And are you guys able to meet tomorrow, Ryan?

Ryan Germany: I’ll get with Chris, the lawyer who’s representing us in the case and see when he can get together with Kurt.

Mark Meadows: All right.

Brad Raffensperger: Ryan will be in touch with the other attorney on this call, Mr. Meadows. Thank you, President Trump, for your time.

President Trump: Okay. Thank you, Brad. Thank you, Ryan. Thank you. Thank you, everybody.

Mark Meadows: Thank you.

Cleta Mitchell: Thank you.

President Trump: Thank you very much. Bye.

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DC watchdog group calls for Trump to be impeached, again, over efforts to tamper with Georgia election

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US President Donald Trump speaks during a news conference in the James Brady Briefing Room of the White House July 30, 2020 in Washington, DC.

  • President Trump should be impeached over his efforts to “rig a presidential election,” the watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington said on Sunday.
  • The demand follows the release of an audio tape featuring Trump asking a Georgia election official to “find” more votes for him so he could claim victory in a state that he lost.
  • “[I]f this isn’t impeachable conduct, then literally nothing is,” said CREW Executive Director Noah Bookbinder.
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President Donald Trump should be impeached for a second time after being “caught on tape trying to rig a presidential election,” the watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington said Sunday.

The demand comes after the release of a recording that features Trump pleading with Georgia elections official Brad Raffensperger to “find” more votes for him so that he could claim victory in a state that he lost by nearly 13,000 votes.

“There’s nothing wrong with saying… that you’ve recalculated,”  Trump said on the Saturday call.

CREW, a self-styled crusader against “government officials who sacrifice the common good to special interests,” said that is cause enough to remove Trump from office before President-elect Joe Biden’s inauguration on January 20.

“While the logistics of holding impeachment proceedings in the final two weeks of a presidency are admittedly hard to pull off, if this isn’t impeachable conduct, then literally nothing is,” CREW Executive Director Noah Bookbinder said in a statement. “Congress must act immediately.”

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Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp has been mercilessly attacked by Trump. But he still attended a White House Christmas Party.

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Gov. Brian Kemp (R-Georgia).

  • On Friday, Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp tweeted images of himself and his daughter, Lucy, taking pictures amidst the lavish holiday decor at the White House.
  • Despite the festivities, Trump is still incensed with Kemp for not helping him overturn the presidential election results in Georgia, which saw President-elect Joe Biden capture the state by a little over 12,000 votes.
  • The governor posted the White House photo just hours after Trump questioned his conservative credentials, as well as those of GOP Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger.
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Despite President Donald Trump’s withering attacks against Georgia Gov. Brian Kemp over certifying President-elect Joe Biden’s presidential win in the state, his invitation to a White House Christmas party didn’t get lost in the mail.

On Friday, the Republican governor tweeted images of himself and his daughter, Lucy, taking pictures amidst the holiday decor and festivities at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue. 

“Lucy and I had a great time at the @WhiteHouse Christmas Party today,” Kemp wrote. “Merry Christmas, everyone!”

Many conservatives, including some high-profile Republicans, were not thrilled with the message.

Jenna Ellis, a prominent member of the Trump campaign’s legal team, responded to Kemp’s tweet with one word: “Seriously?”

GOP Florida state Rep. Anthony Sabatini responded to the tweet, calling the governor “scum.”

Kemp has drawn the ire of Trump and many rank-and-file Republicans and activists for what they perceive as a lack of support in investigating unsubstantiated claims of voter fraud in the state.

The governor posted the White House photo just hours after Trump questioned his conservative credentials, as well as those of Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, another favorite GOP target of the president.

“The Secretary of State and Governor of Georgia, both so-called ‘Republicans’, aren’t allowing Fulton County to go through the vital Voter Signature Verification process,” Trump wrote. “Also, they are not allowing Republican ‘watchers’ to be present and verify!”

Despite Trump’s claims, the state already requires signature verification, and official poll watchers from both parties were present across the country during the 2020 election.

Last week, the president once again slammed Kemp, retweeting a post from attorney Lin Wood that called for the governor and Raffensperger to be imprisoned for not challenging the election results in the state.

“President Trump @realDonaldTrump is a genuinely good man,” Wood wrote. “He does not really like to fire people. I bet he dislikes putting people in jail, especially ‘Republicans.’ He gave @BrianKempGA & @GaSecofState every chance to get it right. They refused. They will soon be going to jail.”

Biden’s narrow victory in the state was confirmed through an initial count and two reviews. On December 14, the Electoral College met in Atlanta and certified the state’s 16 Electoral College votes for the president-elect.

Still, Kemp has borne the brunt of attacks from Trump.

During a November interview with Fox Business host Maria Bartiromo, the president said that he was “ashamed” to have endorsed Kemp in his 2018 gubernatorial campaign against Democratic nominee Stacey Abrams.

Earlier in December, Trump called Kemp for help in overturning the election results, arguing that the governor could hold a special legislative session that would install pro-Trump electors.

Kemp declined to call the state legislature back into session.

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After Biden’s win in Georgia, the state’s GOP House Speaker wants to strip voters from choosing the Secretary of State

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Georgia House Speaker David Ralston.

  • Georgia House Speaker David Ralston on Thursday called for a constitutional amendment to allow state legislators to choose the Secretary of State, which would take away the responsibility from voters.
  • The proposal is seen as a response to lingering Republican dissatisfaction with Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger and President-elect Joe Biden’s statewide victory in Georgia.
  • Voters would have to approve the constitutional amendment for the drastic change to be made.
  • “In a clear power grab, Ralston and the Trump campaign want to give the General Assembly the power to select winners of elections and violate the will of the people,” Deputy Secretary of State Jordan Fuchs said in a statement.
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Georgia House Speaker David Ralston on Thursday called for a constitutional amendment to allow state legislators to choose the Secretary of State – thereby taking away the responsibility from voters – in response to continued Republican unrest over President-elect Joe Biden’s statewide victory over President Donald Trump in the November election.

Ralston, a Republican, said that legislators in the GOP-controlled Georgia General Assembly, which includes the state House of Representatives and Senate, would select the Secretary of State, who runs statewide elections, upon approval of the amendment.

However, voters would have to approve the constitutional amendment.

After Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, a fellow Republican, declined to participate in a state Senate hearing on the election, Ralston said that he was “shocked” and “disappointed” by the move, according to Atlanta’s NBC affiliate 11 Alive.

“As the state’s chief elections official, it is incumbent on the Secretary of State to be responsive to the People’s House and faithfully perform his or her duties in accordance with the laws passed by the General Assembly,” he said a press briefing.

Expressing his support for the legislature picking the secretary of state, he added: “I think it’s the only way to right this ship. I don’t do this lightly. I don’t do this disrespectfully to the incumbent who I have personal regard for, but I do it because we have a job to do as members of the House and members of the Senate.”

The legislature chooses the secretary of state in only three states – Maine, New Hampshire, and Tennessee.

Raffensperger has been the target of attacks from President Donald Trump and party members who have pushed debunked narratives of widespread fraud in the election, allegations that Raffensperger has consistently denied.

The secretary of state’s office forcefully replied to the intraparty legislative proposal.

“In a clear power grab, Ralston and the Trump campaign want to give the General Assembly the power to select winners of elections and violate the will of the people,” Deputy Secretary of State Jordan Fuchs said in a statement.

In an interview with Business Insider’s Grace Panetta, Raffensperger defended the integrity of Georgia’s results, calling it “the most secure election ever.”

“Every time these rumors come up, it’s like the rumor whack-a-mole, we go ahead and we address it, and we have a transparent process and we have press releases on a daily basis … but also there’s been a lot of misinformation and honestly, disinformation or outright lying,” he said of the rampant election misinformation pushed by Trump and many of his allies.

Biden won Georgia and its 16 electoral votes by a little over 12,000 votes out of nearly 5 million votes cast statewide, the first Democratic presidential victory in the Southern state since 1992.

On December 7, the state recertified Biden’s win after a recount was completed last week.

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